Coronavirus (2021) thread

[johnnytapia]

I would be interested in knowing why they are not wanting the jab

Illiterate, ill-advised.

 

[manchester blue]

My booster has hit me like a truck.

Started feeling a bit iffy at around 8 last night and though the night got worse.

Banging headache and chills and feeling really achy and also really dehydrated. But the worse thing is the tiredness. It's an absolute chore to to do anything, even walking to the bathroom or typing this.

Anyone had these symptoms? Going back to bed soon to see if I can get some sleep and try and get up for the match

Hope you’re feeling better soon mate. Sounds like Covid symptoms. Have you tested? Try an aspirin and drink lots of water.

 

[paulchapo]

I don't recall being told that after the booster, freedom would be upon us. Thought it was simply another line of defence against the virus, not the final solution.

I have no problems with any country closing its borders to us. They will have their own mitigation methods and it is their right to not want additional visitors.

No we were told vaccination was our way out of this though. I seem to remember Witty saying even if new variants emerge they should still prove very effective and each year, like the flu jab, they could be tweaked

Of course it's their right but as the new variant is in those countries and spreading so rapidly it's just grandstanding. That is why we scrapped our red list. As for this new variant a lot of reports are saying although more transmissible it is very mild, yet government's are acting like it's doomsday. Somebody somewhere must be right but who?

The lunacy around the virus continues. McDonald's in Tenerife asking for vaccine passports to eat in there so they can keep full capacity. You can however, go in there, wait five minutes for a takeaway and leave. The vaccine passport is stopping no one passing on the virus or catching it. Also the ones without it are still piling in there for their takeaways. It's a box ticking exercise. Like mask wearing on flights. They are on and off when eating and drinking. For some that is the duration of the whole flight. It's ludicrous.

 

[Bluewonder]

Apologies if been asked and answered.

I don't understand if the majority of people have been vaccinated and also boosted why is there talk of a 2 week lockdown?? Yes people may test positive and of course you can still catch it but i thought that hospitalisations was the key in what we did, as long as people testing positive are able to fight it off without hospitalistion why oh why do we seem to be taking about 3 steps backwards at the moment.

There is no justification, just innumerate scientists producing doom-laden models.
It's bonkers.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Dreading the thought of another lockdown even if it is only for 2 weeks, I feel mentally drained by all of this now.

a big reason I’ve been out much lately is because there is another lockdown on the way - I’ve been football, pubs, party’s and couple of concerts - it’s no surprise I’ve caught covid - now I’m isolating whilst we head into another lockdown - but I’m glad in a way for enjoying life these last few weeks.

 

[twosips]

This is absolutely insane. Journo had a chat with a SAGE modeller on twitter and I can't get my head around his admission that essentially they only do scary models because there's no point doing encouraging models as they're not asked to. Genuinely mad.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Fucking hell I’m going back to avoiding this thread for a bit. It’s a sewer.

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

I would be interested in knowing why they are not wanting the jab

They did their own research for a couple of hours ont intertnet and have a grade F in CSE biology. So they understand epidemiology much better than oxbridge educated medical professionals.

If you needed a heart transplant who would you trust? A qualified surgeon or Harry Kane?

 

[True_Blue69]

A few weeks ago I do recall SAGE predicting we’d be hitting 100k cases and this was dismissed as ‘scaremongering’ - I do get some of their predictions seem way off the mark but not always.

Was that before the new variant though?

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Pretty much the picture for the nation as a whole . Idiots

UK population figure is higher than that. The 68% is the whole of the UK population and under 18‘s have not been eligible for 2 doses and the under 12’s not been eligible for 1 dose but they’re in the figures. The footballers are all eligible so their uptake is much worse than the country.
That being said, the country needs to work out what being vaccinated actually means.
If the whole country is double vaccinated and/or boosted do we still report case numbers?
If people test positive, do they still need to isolate?
If every footballer is fully vaccinated but 100 of them test positive, are the games off?
If the answer to those questions are yes, you would have to question the point of getting vaccinated any further and would understand why footballers and many young people would not bother.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

A few weeks ago I do recall SAGE predicting we’d be hitting 100k cases and this was dismissed as ‘scaremongering’ - I do get some of their predictions seem way off the mark but not always.

That was before they had heard of Omicron and before we were doing over one and a half MILLION tests a day though.

 

[Gabriel]

I feel by now the experts will know just how serious this is likely to be. The error bars and confidence intervals on wildly differing predictions must be coming down by now. What is the live data saying in regards to the scale of the peak we might expect, and the extent of serious illness that will generate over a short time period?

What would bother me if I was a Public Health administrator is that my resources and capacity to deal with this will be hampered by lack of staff, and that although the illness will be very mild in most, the peak is going to be almost needle-like, and significantly high so that inevitably there will be a wave of very sick people all requiring attention over a week rather than 6 weeks, and then it will collapse. But for that week, what do you do?

Is there are way of slowing this down? If you do, you have to lock down hard and fast and now, and vaccinate like crazy, and publicise it a lot more than present. I'd also do it smart by identifying the at risk groups. We aren't doing that. There are old and sick people who haven't been boosted because we are just concentrating on numbers at the moment. The old and sick can't go to a walk-in clinic and wait for 2 hours, and they aren't likely to make an appointment online. And their GP surgery is too over-worked to chase them up. Not all have attentive grand-children to look after them. You need teams of health professionals sitting down and finding them otherwise in 3 weeks those people will likely be the ones who are seriously ill. The one thing about Covid is that it doesn't strike at random

Good post. Listening to Sajid Javid on Andy Marr’s show this morning , it‘s clear that they just don’t have enough data yet; well at least that’s what we’re told. He didn’t seem to think that shortening the isolation time for health workers was prudent, so when that spike does come, it’s going to be touch and go. Perhaps they think that the spike will happen in what the Swedes call the Mellandagar, a time when most people are at home and isolated anyway, which could reduce its impact. Quite a gamble but looking at the Gauteng timeline just possible. Am genuinely worried about how many older people have been missed in the rush to vaccinate the masses.

 

[Marvin]

Forget long and draining episodes. This is all at once.

For the original virus we had Wuhan as our guide. The rest of the world saw Alpha in the UK, then we had Delta in India. Now we look at South Africa. The peak is awfully high, but thereafter it crashes. The scale of serious illness will be an order of magnitude less than we have seen before. But this arrives all at once. That is the problem. Now we have to work out exactly what it looks like.

 

[meltonblue]

This is absolutely insane. Journo had a chat with a SAGE modeller on twitter and I can't get my head around his admission that essentially they only do scary models because there's no point doing encouraging models as they're not asked to. Genuinely mad.

It’s worth continuing to read Medleys tweets after that too. I didn’t realise Nelson had published the conversation in the spectator too, he really should either update or remove it.

 

[mosssideblue]

No we were told vaccination was our way out of this though. I seem to remember Witty saying even if new variants emerge they should still prove very effective and each year, like the flu jab, they could be tweaked

Of course it's their right but as the new variant is in those countries and spreading so rapidly it's just grandstanding. That is why we scrapped our red list. As for this new variant a lot of reports are saying although more transmissible it is very mild, yet government's are acting like it's doomsday. Somebody somewhere must be right but who?

The lunacy around the virus continues. McDonald's in Tenerife asking for vaccine passports to eat in there so they can keep full capacity. You can however, go in there, wait five minutes for a takeaway and leave. The vaccine passport is stopping no one passing on the virus or catching it. Also the ones without it are still piling in there for their takeaways. It's a box ticking exercise. Like mask wearing on flights. They are on and off when eating and drinking. For some that is the duration of the whole flight. It's ludicrous.

Given sufficient time, I'm sure the Pharma's could provide a more effective vaccine, capable of being easily adapted to meet new demands. The reality is we needed a neigh on immediate flash to bang solution to get some effectiveness into people's arms. Time for them was never a luxury.

Grandstanding or not, their respective Governments feel it necessary and we need to respect that.

 

[mosssideblue]

There is no justification, just innumerate scientists producing doom-laden models.
It's bonkers.

For who's benefit?

 

[inbetween]

This is absolutely insane. Journo had a chat with a SAGE modeller on twitter and I can't get my head around his admission that essentially they only do scary models because there's no point doing encouraging models as they're not asked to. Genuinely mad.

I think there is a misunderstanding of the job that modellers have, modellers aren't there to express models that make the media or us feel warm inside. If a variant is milder then as the guy has said there's nothing whatsoever to see here and nothing to do so what's the point in modelling it?

They will model worst case scenarios because that informs the government on what action is needed, they need to know this because how can you plan otherwise? If Omicron turns out to be the same as Delta then that shows that they need X doctors, X capacity or else we can't cope and so we need X restrictions to help it. They then model the impact of those restrictions which gives you something resembling a plan.

However, what is the action needed if Omicron turned out to not cause any problems at all, the answer is no actions at all so what's the point in modelling it? It isn't like we're arguing to shrink health capacity if the severity of Omicron turned out to be milder, if that was the case then optimistic models would be very useful.

It needs to be remembered that the government doesn't just take a model and use that to decide if we go into lockdown or not. If that was true then at 90,000 cases per day (the highest ever) we'd be in total lockdown right now but we aren't.

 

[mosssideblue]

Illiterate, ill-advised.

I'll advised I can see, but not sure everyone is illiterate

 

[paulchapo]

This is absolutely insane. Journo had a chat with a SAGE modeller on twitter and I can't get my head around his admission that essentially they only do scary models because there's no point doing encouraging models as they're not asked to. Genuinely mad.

It's disturbing.

 

[Marvin]

Good post. Listening to Sajid Javid on Andy Marr’s show this morning , it‘s clear that they just don’t have enough data yet; well at least that’s what we’re told. He didn’t seem to think that shortening the isolation time for health workers was prudent, so when that spike does come, it’s going to be touch and go. Perhaps they think that the spike will happen in what the Swedes call the Mellandagar, a time when most people are at home and isolated anyway, which could reduce its impact. Quite a gamble but looking at the Gauteng timeline just possible. Am genuinely worried about how many older people have been missed in the rush to vaccinate the masses.

My Mum hasn't had her booster. She fell between the cracks. There will be a lot like her. SHe is in a care home. What happens when all her carers (and visitors) get ill. Multiply this thousands of times and this is where we will have problems. Any respiratory illness is serious for some.