New highway code rules

Dirty Harry said:
Rules ?
The Highway Code was never the law, and was only intended as a guide, and much of it advisory at that, has something changed ?

Those ‘proposals’ seem idiotic and almost like a cyclist/pedestrian has done it.
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Like the 'midget gems' in another thread, long established expressions and practices are changed because small groups complain, often as few as one indidual.
Yet complain forever about the media's football coverage and in particular the supposedly impartial BBC - no chance, no change.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
What annoys me most as a cyclist is dangerous overtakes by motorists.

If a motorist overtakes me and immediately has to brake then it wasn't safe to overtake in the first place. Also close passes(<1.5m) really piss me off whether it's 20mph or 80mph. Worst one I had was a double decker bus doing around 60mph. It passed me within 3ft when the driver had the whole road to use to overtake safely.
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Drivers become better drivers once they ride bikes, IMO.
 
Bonzo Nododo said:
Like the 'midget gems' in another thread, long established expressions and practices are changed because small groups complain, often as few as one indidual.
Yet complain forever about the media's football coverage and in particular the supposedly impartial BBC - no chance, no change.
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There was a public consultation on the proposed changes which EVERYONE had a right to contribute towards.

180212 Draft consultation version 5.1.14.final (publishing.service.gov.uk)
 
bluealf said:
www.thesun.co.uk

New highway code hierarchy explained - and cyclists get priority over drivers

DRIVERS now have to give extra priority to cyclists that are travelling on UK roads. The new rule, which came into force today, means drivers won’t have as much power on the road when it come…
www.thesun.co.uk www.thesun.co.uk


Some dangerous new rules imo none more so than allowing pedestrians the right to cross on a junction you are turning into, people will be knocked over as they just walk out in front of cars, how will this work in a big city where there are people waiting to cross roads every minute of the day, of course, you stopping as you are half way through the action of turning will surely mean a greater chance of somebody else running into the back of you.

Discuss.


ps I used the sun as it isn't behind a paywall and has diagrams lol
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1/ its a code not law
2/ I was always taught to give way to pedestrians crossing at a junction - attached is an older version of the Highway Code - Rule 170 may enlighten some
http://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/uplo...ial-highway-code-with-annexes-uk-en-12-04.pdf
3/ I cycle and I taught my kids to cycle in the centre of the lane - riding in the gutter is suicidal
 
bluethrunthru said:
1/ its a code not law
2/ I was always taught to give way to pedestrians crossing at a junction - attached is an older version of the Highway Code - Rule 170 may enlighten some
http://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/uplo...ial-highway-code-with-annexes-uk-en-12-04.pdf
3/ I cycle and I taught my kids to cycle in the centre of the lane - riding in the gutter is suicidal
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Since you are being a bit of smart arse know it all, you need to read the difference between rule 170 and the new rule.

A clever guy like yourself should surely have noticed the subtle difference between all ready crossing the road to the new version of giving way to pedestrians who are WAITING to cross the road junction.

Also, I didn't say it was law, literally in the thread title I called it a new rule which somebody else took umbrage with, can't please anybody it seems.

As you were angry cycle man.
 
Innsbruckblue said:
Works totally fine on the continent
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What does? Which part?

I can't say I have ever noticed a car stopping as it turns into a street to allow pedestrians to cross, I have only ever driven in Spain abroad though and they still haven't got used to roundabouts or indicators yet.
 
bluealf said:
Since you are being a bit of smart arse know it all, you need to read the difference between rule 170 and the new rule.

A clever guy like yourself should surely have noticed the subtle difference between all ready crossing the road to the new version of giving way to pedestrians who are WAITING to cross the road junction.

Also, I didn't say it was law, literally in the thread title I called it a new rule which somebody else took umbrage with, can't please anybody it seems.

As you were angry cycle man.
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I was taught to drive in 1980 and was always told to give way to people ready to or actually crossing the road into which I was turning - that was the code then and I have always stuck to it. The whole thing revolves around being a safe and considerate road user - something thats fallen out of fashion in the age of Ronnie Pickering
 
bluethrunthru said:
I was taught to drive in 1980 and was always told to give way to people ready to or actually crossing the road into which I was turning - that was the code then and I have always stuck to it. The whole thing revolves around being a safe and considerate road user - something thats fallen out of fashion in the age of Ronnie Pickering
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If that was the code in 1980 why has it been updated and changed?

I don't think dear old Ronnie had a problem with pedestrians more motorbikes.

Anyway, the whole point of posting it was to bring it to people's attention in the first place not row about it.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I was taught to drive in 1980 and was always told to give way to people ready to or actually crossing the road into which I was turning - that was the code then and I have always stuck to it. The whole thing revolves around being a safe and considerate road user - something thats fallen out of fashion in the age of Ronnie Pickering
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You may have been told wrong.

170 (Current rules)
Take extra care at junctions. You should
  • watch out for pedestrians crossing a road into which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way
But I'm wondering if you, like me, were told that someone waiting at a zebra crossing had priority, and apparently that was never the case, they only had priority once they started to cross. That is changing now and makes sense to me.

I think the danger with the new rule is that it seems to allow pedestrians to have priority to cross a junction even without a zebra crossing, and that feels dangerous.
 
bluealf said:
Since you are being a bit of smart arse know it all, you need to read the difference between rule 170 and the new rule.

A clever guy like yourself should surely have noticed the subtle difference between all ready crossing the road to the new version of giving way to pedestrians who are WAITING to cross the road junction.

Also, I didn't say it was law, literally in the thread title I called it a new rule which somebody else took umbrage with, can't please anybody it seems.

As you were angry cycle man.
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If that’s referring to me Alf, honestly, no umbrage here mate, and not your use of the word, more theirs in the link, it’s just always irked me when people pass the HC off as the law, it’s a code of conduct as much as anything else, and every road user, whether in a vehicle, on a cycle, or on foot etc, all have equal responsibility for the safety of anyone else.

And for what it’s worth, I do actually agree with much of what you wrote about the dangers these changes may bring, there’s always some prick out there that will try and make a point, and let’s not forget, we’re dealing with decades of ingrained driving habits that won’t change overnight.
 
Dirty Harry said:
If that’s referring to me Alf, honestly, no umbrage here mate, and not your use of the word, more theirs in the link, it’s just always irked me when people pass the HC off as the law, it’s a code of conduct as much as anything else, and every road user, whether in a vehicle, on a cycle, or on foot etc, all have equal responsibility for the safety of anyone else.

And for what it’s worth, I do actually agree with much of what you wrote about the dangers these changes may bring, there’s always some prick out there that will try and make a point, and let’s not forget, we’re dealing with decades of ingrained driving habits that won’t change overnight.
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Ha the word law is used in the link, I maybe should have read my own link better, I thought you were both saying I'd said it was a law lol

ffs :)
 
Citizen of Legoland said:
You may have been told wrong.

170 (Current rules)
Take extra care at junctions. You should
  • watch out for pedestrians crossing a road into which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way
But I'm wondering if you, like me, were told that someone waiting at a zebra crossing had priority, and apparently that was never the case, they only had priority once they started to cross. That is changing now and makes sense to me.

I think the danger with the new rule is that it seems to allow pedestrians to have priority to cross a junction even without a zebra crossing, and that feels dangerous.
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no I was remembering what I was told by my driving instructor in 79/80 - I think I may have a yellowed dog eared copy of the code in the loft still in some box or other but fucked if I am going looking ha ha ha
 
Citizen of Legoland said:
Is it the one with the 3mph speed limit and came with a free red flag?

;)
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Not quite - its the one that made me believe on my first test as I approached the traffic lights in Cheetham Hill and they went onto amber I could just nip through. The examiner used the brake on the dual controls to arrest our progress. I don't think he appreciated my comment " ahh I think we'd have made that" either.

Yep I failed
 
bluealf said:
What does? Which part?

I can't say I have ever noticed a car stopping as it turns into a street to allow pedestrians to cross, I have only ever driven in Spain abroad though and they still haven't got used to roundabouts or indicators yet.
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Spain or Italy are not exactly brilliant examples of great driving!!!
It works in Germany and Austria
 
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