Russian invasion of Ukraine

What concerns me most is encapsulated by this quote from the BBC:

<Putin> cannot afford to fail or else he knows his time in power will almost certainly be over, leaving a legacy of humiliation and defeat.

So how do we get him to back down? Surely we need to find a way to let him save face or he will never give in, and on the contrary, will just get increasingly desperate, and dangerous.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is on record saying that no, Trump couldn’t just decide to nuke someone and make it happen.

I’ll trust him over some blog site.
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You’re right that it relies on a chain of command following orders but theoretically the President can simply order a strike and only the Defense Secretary needs to go along with it, and if he doesn’t the President can fire him and appoint someone who will. I assume that in Trump’s case there were some unofficial protocols in place because everyone knew he was fucking insane.
 
Chippy_boy said:
What concerns me most is encapsulated by this quote from the BBC:

<Putin> cannot afford to fail or else he knows his time in power will almost certainly be over, leaving a legacy of humiliation and defeat.

So how do we get him to back down? Surely we need to find a way to let him save face or he will never give in, and on the contrary, will just get increasingly desperate, and dangerous.
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And then get shot by someone who doesn't believe, but has gone along with it so far, there'll be plenty of them believe me.
 
Chippy_boy said:
What concerns me most is encapsulated by this quote from the BBC:

<Putin> cannot afford to fail or else he knows his time in power will almost certainly be over, leaving a legacy of humiliation and defeat.

So how do we get him to back down? Surely we need to find a way to let him save face or he will never give in, and on the contrary, will just get increasingly desperate, and dangerous.
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cleavers said:
And then get shot by someone who doesn't believe, but has gone along with it so far, there'll be plenty of them believe me.
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That's the thing, even if Putin would rather start a nuclear apocalypse than lose, you need a few hundred people to feel the same way for it to happen.
 
I think a modest coup is imminent. Nobody in both countries wants a fight surely. NATO says you are great but you can't join. Ukraine recognise Russian speaking people if they don't already. NATO say we got your back. My name is Henry Kissinger.
 
Chippy_boy said:
What concerns me most is encapsulated by this quote from the BBC:

<Putin> cannot afford to fail or else he knows his time in power will almost certainly be over, leaving a legacy of humiliation and defeat.

So how do we get him to back down? Surely we need to find a way to let him save face or he will never give in, and on the contrary, will just get increasingly desperate, and dangerous.
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This reminds me of the walls closing in around Nixon in 1974 with global life and death stakes as opposed to merely national constitutional ones.
 
Chippy_boy said:
What concerns me most is encapsulated by this quote from the BBC:

<Putin> cannot afford to fail or else he knows his time in power will almost certainly be over, leaving a legacy of humiliation and defeat.

So how do we get him to back down? Surely we need to find a way to let him save face or he will never give in, and on the contrary, will just get increasingly desperate, and dangerous.
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Bingo, this is where you hope the really clever diplomats are working behind the scenes. Fingers crossed.
 
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