Russian invasion of Ukraine

[wayne71]

If NATO cold war doctrine is followed we'd drop a nuke in the Barents Sea or similar.

Why would anyone risk firing a nuke towards Russia? I realise they can track trajectory but surely not where its going to land?

 

[KS55]

This putin chap, he really is a silly sausage isn't he.

Yes, he never got over that incident with Gorbachov minor in the remove.

 

[mackenzie]

Marco Rubio on Twitter I cant embed tweets so copied: Growing signs #Putin has ordered a medieval siege of #Kyiv Cut a city of millions off from food, fuel, power, communications & supplies & then bomb & starve the govt into submission We need to start thinking about what we can & are willing to do to prevent such a barbaric crime

A lot of talk that Putin had priced in sanctions before the invasion but I don't think he banked on the sanctions being as ferocious as they are. Shell have just announced they are selling their stakes in Russian ventures, I don't Vlad anticipated that at all.

Problem is, the harder we hit, the more he starts lashing out which is why I just can't see a positive endgame without the Russians themselves over throwing him.

I honestly can't see them overthrowing him. It's been over a hundred years since they did the same with the last Tsar, and God knows they've been through some horrific regimes since that.
Yet...the power of interconnection with the rest of the world is the difference now, and we are living through something unprecedented.

 

[Northblue]

Minister of defence for Ukraine offering amnesty and a cash reward to Russian soldiers for giving themselves up and not following orders.

5 million rubles per soldier? I know the ruble is in the dumps but that seems a lot..

 

[Don Karleone]

we are living through something unprecedented.

Again. A few years of normality would be bloody lovely

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Good job BAe at Chadderton is no longer there. But if Failsworth was nuked, how would we know?

House prices would go up.

 

[meltonblue]

5 million rubles per soldier? I know the ruble is in the dumps but that seems a lot..

The soldiers probably won’t know how much it’s tanked back home

 

[mackenzie]

Again. A few years of normality would be bloody lovely

Absolutely.
Only a couple of weeks ago I was discussing with my lad my plans for visiting them this June for the first time in 3 years.
Then this shit happens :-(

 

[Ghandi's Flip Flops]

Jesus. When you've got young women doing drive by molotov attacks, then you know the russians are in trouble

 

[Blue Mist]

Disappointing, but not surprising. As a country we loathe the idea of people coming here. We’ve even put up barriers to stop school trips from Europe.

Bollocks. I voted to leave, I vote tory but if I could take just one Ukrainian family never mind 4 I would.

 

[abu13]

Don't think the Russians had or have any plans to negotiate any terms that don't involve them getting 100% of their own way. It's a tough place to be in for any government. How do you reason with a guy who's cheese has obviously slid off his cracker ? You can't and you have to tread carefully because of it.

Providing safe passage and shelter for anyone wanting to get out of Ukraine should be top priority. I think there is huge anger we aren't more organised on this front, that's where I see the biggest failings. Talk is fucking cheap as far as I can see on this

I said this earlier today, how can you negotiate with someone who who won't accept anything less than getting their own way.
I am concerned that while we have to put as much pressure on the Russians as possible,we also need to leave them a way out where they can save face.
Humiliating them as a country may mean they feel they have no option other than playing the final card.

 

[mosssideblue]

Why would anyone risk firing a nuke towards Russia? I realise they can track trajectory but surely not where its going to land?

If you can track trajectory, surely you can track exactly where it will land?

 

[Citizen Mike]

Wow. This report on the 6pm news with the sirens going off in the background is a pretty tough watch. You can hear the fear in the reporters voice as she’s talking to Clive. This ain’t ending well is it

There are a lot of brave people in this war and that includes the journalists

 

[Tuearts right boot]

This is UK Forces News......




They're saying what everyone else seems to be saying, that Putin expected Ukraine to surrender in shock and awe within 24 hours or so of the invasion, when that didn't happen the Russians ran in to operational and supply problems.

But and it's a big but, they don't hold out hope for a Ukrainian victory.

Putin can have his victory, but only at a much higher price than he anticipated, will he pay that price? Time for diplomacy and an honest broker and fast.

You called...

 

[Scottyboi]

Jesus. When you've got young women doing drive by molotov attacks, then you know the russians are in trouble

Her hands fucked now I reckon, went all over it.

 

[dublinblue12]

Jesus. When you've got young women doing drive by molotov attacks, then you know the russians are in trouble

What does the Z mean on the tank, seen it mentioned a few times leading up to invasion

 

[KS55]

I am shamed of being an Indian. It's so shitty that our government refused to condemn Russia and did not vote against them in the UN Council.

Not your fault, mate.

 

[wayne71]

If you can track trajectory, surely you can track exactly where it will land?

Well yes it was definitely a stupid post :) but I would imagine the alarms go off when the US/Russia etc launch a missile in the general direction of each other and they probably wouldn't wait to work out its trajectory is the point I was poorly making.

 

[mackenzie]

Welcome to your evening bulletin from Mordor, where the President's race to make us more isolated than North Korea gathers pace. Apologies for any repetition of stuff already in the thread. Have been busy and it moves so quickly I just can't read it all.

Some pretty horrifying footage of the bombardment of Kharkov. This is one of the best disposed cities to Russia outside Donbass, not far from the border and with plenty of those Russian=speakers they're supposed to be desperate to protect. Shows that latter claim up for the transparent lie it is.

Looks like they could be planning something even worse for Kiev. I dread to think what news we may wake up to on that score.

Meanwhile, the US Embassy has suggested that American nationals consider leaving now, while there are still a few commercial flights out. Makes you think, even when you're not an American.

I've predictably had to cancel a trip home to visit my mother, who's 88 and with failing eyesight as well as a plethora other medical conditions. She was widowed last summer, has two kids who both live abroad, and is struggling a bit on her own for the first time in 50-odd years.

That's pretty upsetting, as I also cancelled my last planned trip at Christmas owing to travel restrictions imposed following the UK Covid outbreak. But save your thoughts and prayers for the natives of Kharkov and Kiev. They need them far, far more.

PS - Five million roubles would have been 50 grand in sterling last week. By the end of this week, it'll probably just about buy them a new telly.

Thank you for your updates. I can't really think of anything else to say, other than keep posting. Please.
Don't put yourself in danger though.

 

[DrBlueBob]

You can write when ur pissed??!! :-)

A long note at that. Did you mean to quote me btw? Twice :-)