You can choose to go with what he wrote in that way, I don’t have to :) But on a sincere note it could point to the idea of humanity being ‘rich’ in understanding but in a way that masks a lack of understanding - yet as the lack of understanding is released there can be an opening to an abundant source of universal intelligence. The ‘old’ understanding may reject that intelligence whereas the ‘new’ understanding may reflect an acceptance of it. This may go through cycles but as it does so humanity may come to live in greater harmony with the universe and new solutions to old problems may be found. cheers ;)
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it could well be art and you've chose to go that way as its your disposition to think that wayYou can choose to go with what he wrote in that way, I don’t have to :) But on a sincere note it could point to the idea of humanity being ‘rich’ in understanding but in a way that masks a lack of understanding - yet as the lack of understanding is released there can be an opening to an abundant source of universal intelligence. The ‘old’ understanding may reject that intelligence whereas the ‘new’ understanding may reflect an acceptance of it. This may go through cycles but as it does so humanity may come to live in greater harmony with the universe and new solutions to old problems may be found. cheers ;)
but unless we have the authors intention and we have no prior or subsequent work to go by we have to go with what is written
I think I understand where you are coming and fair enough. Where I may be differing is to see it as one form of expression of a universal wisdom that is as applicable now as it was then (even though outer understandings may have changed to some degree, the process of inner change may not have) Anyhow, have a beautiful day.it could well be art and you've chose to go that way as its your disposition to think that way
but unless we have the authors intention and we have no prior or subsequent work to go by we have to go with what is written
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Do you have plants in your garden? do they all grow at the same rate, flower at the same time, look identical etc Maybe humans are similar in their growth and thus a spiritual text may address the different levels and ways of understanding, that each may blossom in their own time, in their own way? Then again if you want a one size fits all for humans, that may demand a boom of truth like you speak of. But wouldn’t that be more like a technical manual for robots?Here's a good one that is never spoken about. If the Bible was 'truth' then there could only be one version of it, not hundreds. There is said to be around a hundred versions in the English language alone [google search]. Meanwhile, the King James version which is the official version of the Church of England claims at it's beginning in the dedication to King James 1st of England that he was also the King of France. He was NEVER the King of France yet the Bible still claims it. So a lie is presented right at it's beginning.
Some nice airy fairy impractical spiritual stuff from Rickson Gracie :)
“Although Orlando Cani looked like a 1970s hippie yoga teacher, nothing could have been further from the truth. Two decades my senior, he was a former paratrooper and one of the greatest athletes in Brazilian history. A champion swimmer, gymnast, runner, and marksman, Cani was also proficient in a number of martial arts. After he won his second world military pentathlon, the president of Brazil, Humberto Castelo Branco, awarded him the nation’s highest athletic honor, the Sport Cross of Merit. After retiring from competition, he turned his full attention to Hatha-yoga and Pranayama breathing, and he traveled to India to study with Shri Yogendra, the father of modern yoga. When the class began, I was immediately impressed by Orlando Cani’s agility and how well he moved for his age. We followed and tried to copy his movements as he talked to us and encouraged the class to relax, breathe, and empty our minds. He would say, “Imagine you are a bird, move your arms.” This was rhythmic and flowing, like dance and unlike yoga; I found it easy to slip into a more meditative state of mind. I wasn’t thinking, I was just following Orlando and copying his movements. Toward the end of the class, he took me aside and said, “Rickson, you’re special. I want to teach you privately because your ability level is so high.” Cani’s classes were not for everyone. You did not go to his studio to lose weight or to build muscles. Many students were confused by his commands because he would never say, “Do ten more reps.” Instead he would say, “Extend your body’s trunk, maintain neck posture, exhale, and let your internal energy flow.” If you are moving and breathing, you can’t have other thoughts in your head. You can’t think, then move and breathe; it’s not the same. He wanted to focus on the body’s “psychomotor system” in order to develop fast, smooth, and explosive extension and flexibility.”
— Breathe: A Life in Flow by Peter Maguire
“Although Orlando Cani looked like a 1970s hippie yoga teacher, nothing could have been further from the truth. Two decades my senior, he was a former paratrooper and one of the greatest athletes in Brazilian history. A champion swimmer, gymnast, runner, and marksman, Cani was also proficient in a number of martial arts. After he won his second world military pentathlon, the president of Brazil, Humberto Castelo Branco, awarded him the nation’s highest athletic honor, the Sport Cross of Merit. After retiring from competition, he turned his full attention to Hatha-yoga and Pranayama breathing, and he traveled to India to study with Shri Yogendra, the father of modern yoga. When the class began, I was immediately impressed by Orlando Cani’s agility and how well he moved for his age. We followed and tried to copy his movements as he talked to us and encouraged the class to relax, breathe, and empty our minds. He would say, “Imagine you are a bird, move your arms.” This was rhythmic and flowing, like dance and unlike yoga; I found it easy to slip into a more meditative state of mind. I wasn’t thinking, I was just following Orlando and copying his movements. Toward the end of the class, he took me aside and said, “Rickson, you’re special. I want to teach you privately because your ability level is so high.” Cani’s classes were not for everyone. You did not go to his studio to lose weight or to build muscles. Many students were confused by his commands because he would never say, “Do ten more reps.” Instead he would say, “Extend your body’s trunk, maintain neck posture, exhale, and let your internal energy flow.” If you are moving and breathing, you can’t have other thoughts in your head. You can’t think, then move and breathe; it’s not the same. He wanted to focus on the body’s “psychomotor system” in order to develop fast, smooth, and explosive extension and flexibility.”
— Breathe: A Life in Flow by Peter Maguire
This too…that seemingly most have been taught to forget.
“Orlando Cani taught me how to empty my mind and use intuition instead of my brain. After training with him, my perception improved to the point where I could shake someone’s hand and instantly determine if he was friend or foe, relaxed or tense, happy or sad, confident or insecure. This gave me a huge advantage in the ring. When I fought, I was neither emotional nor intellectual. I never thought about strategy; I just allowed myself to connect with my opponent on a profound level. The moment the bell rang, I didn’t expect anything or plan anything. In order to do this, I had to rid myself of all thoughts about victory or defeat. Anything I didn’t need for that specific fight against that specific opponent went on the shelf.”
— Breathe: A Life in Flow by Peter Maguire
“Orlando Cani taught me how to empty my mind and use intuition instead of my brain. After training with him, my perception improved to the point where I could shake someone’s hand and instantly determine if he was friend or foe, relaxed or tense, happy or sad, confident or insecure. This gave me a huge advantage in the ring. When I fought, I was neither emotional nor intellectual. I never thought about strategy; I just allowed myself to connect with my opponent on a profound level. The moment the bell rang, I didn’t expect anything or plan anything. In order to do this, I had to rid myself of all thoughts about victory or defeat. Anything I didn’t need for that specific fight against that specific opponent went on the shelf.”
— Breathe: A Life in Flow by Peter Maguire
A different look at the first beatitude - which may change how one relates to the rest of the teachings. Breath may and it’s way, more so than just intellect and rigid dogma.
“(KJV version: Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.) Happy and aligned with the One are those who find their home in the breathing; to them belong the inner kingdom and queendom of heaven. Blessed are those who are refined in breath; they shall find their ruling principles and ideals guided by God’s light. Tuned to the Source are those who live by breathing Unity; their “I can!” is included in God’s. Healthy are those who devotedly hold fast to the spirit of life; holding them is the cosmic Ruler of all that shines and rises.”
— Prayers of the Cosmos: Reflections on the Original Meaning of Jesus' Words by Neil Douglas-Klotz
“(KJV version: Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.) Happy and aligned with the One are those who find their home in the breathing; to them belong the inner kingdom and queendom of heaven. Blessed are those who are refined in breath; they shall find their ruling principles and ideals guided by God’s light. Tuned to the Source are those who live by breathing Unity; their “I can!” is included in God’s. Healthy are those who devotedly hold fast to the spirit of life; holding them is the cosmic Ruler of all that shines and rises.”
— Prayers of the Cosmos: Reflections on the Original Meaning of Jesus' Words by Neil Douglas-Klotz
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Two Gun Bob
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Any words of wisdom from our resident religious sector re the indescrininite bombing of the Ukrainian people and will God finally get round to sorting out the Commies come judgement day for their inhumanity to man. Discuss.
No he won't.Any words of wisdom from our resident religious sector re the indescrininite bombing of the Ukrainian people and will God finally get round to sorting out the Commies come judgement day for their inhumanity to man. Discuss.
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They will be sitting back smugly assuming this is the end of days.Any words of wisdom from our resident religious sector re the indescrininite bombing of the Ukrainian people and will God finally get round to sorting out the Commies come judgement day for their inhumanity to man. Discuss.
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Where’s that bloke with the ‘God Wills It’ gif when you need him?
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God’s knowledge is unlimited being omniscient so in effect this should allow us to trust his will his word and of course his timing. In any case it would have been more civilised to afford a heads up down below so we could have installed a few Patriate systems around Ukraine pre-invasion. Maybe I'm missing something?They will be sitting back smugly assuming this is the end of days.
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mancity2012_eamo
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God doesn’t exist?Maybe I'm missing something?
Maybe that’s it.
For the billion or so followers of the bible , it’s going to be a crushing blow to the majority of them, as only 144,000 will escape via the rapture.They will be sitting back smugly assuming this is the end of days.
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Once again, the oh so fucking deluded people who believe that there is an invisible man in the sky, and the even more deluded belief that he is their guy, are left with actual facts, that billions of prayers do absolutely fuck all.
That their guy either doesnt give a shit, or is actively in favour of suffering. Yet they insist on tap dancing around the facts and in the worst cases, cite the "mysterious ways"shit. At the same time women and children die. Millions uprooted and vulnerable. The fact that anybody would have anything but contempt for such an evil bastard of a being is disgraceful.
Even if the evil **** did exist, they should be despised, not worshipped. Everytime i read online some thick deluded **** say, pray for them, I want to reach through the screen and fucking strangle them, whilst shouting, pray for me to stop you absolute twat.
Just watched the BBC report of a young lad who had to have shrapnel removed from his brain. He survived because of science and real people. Some say praise god. For what? Allowing that child to he injured so he could get praise?. What a fucking **** to do that. Fuck religion and all who delude themselves its true. Or I should say, their version is true, on all other versions they are as athiestic as me.
Wake the fuck up.
That their guy either doesnt give a shit, or is actively in favour of suffering. Yet they insist on tap dancing around the facts and in the worst cases, cite the "mysterious ways"shit. At the same time women and children die. Millions uprooted and vulnerable. The fact that anybody would have anything but contempt for such an evil bastard of a being is disgraceful.
Even if the evil **** did exist, they should be despised, not worshipped. Everytime i read online some thick deluded **** say, pray for them, I want to reach through the screen and fucking strangle them, whilst shouting, pray for me to stop you absolute twat.
Just watched the BBC report of a young lad who had to have shrapnel removed from his brain. He survived because of science and real people. Some say praise god. For what? Allowing that child to he injured so he could get praise?. What a fucking **** to do that. Fuck religion and all who delude themselves its true. Or I should say, their version is true, on all other versions they are as athiestic as me.
Wake the fuck up.
mancity2012_eamo
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I hear you.Once again, the oh so fucking deluded people who believe that there is an invisible man in the sky, and the even more deluded belief that he is their guy, are left with actual facts, that billions of prayers do absolutely fuck all.
That their guy either doesnt give a shit, or is actively in favour of suffering. Yet they insist on tap dancing around the facts and in the worst cases, cite the "mysterious ways"shit. At the same time women and children die. Millions uprooted and vulnerable. The fact that anybody would have anything but contempt for such an evil bastard of a being is disgraceful.
Even if the evil **** did exist, they should be despised, not worshipped. Everytime i read online some thick deluded **** say, pray for them, I want to reach through the screen and fucking strangle them, whilst shouting, pray for me to stop you absolute twat.
Just watched the BBC report of a young lad who had to have shrapnel removed from his brain. He survived because of science and real people. Some say praise god. For what? Allowing that child to he injured so he could get praise?. What a fucking **** to do that. Fuck religion and all who delude themselves its true. Or I should say, their version is true, on all other versions they are as athiestic as me.
Wake the fuck up.
However, in the absence of a god, can the prayER receive some sort of solace in the absence of the prayEE, similar to meditation.
I’m not into spiritualism either, but can, say….. the older indoctrinated generation get anything out of prayer, is it any worse than some of the other shit that people believe in.
Just to be clear, I’m not talking about any sort of fundamentals that insist everyone believes what they do.
Once again, the oh so fucking deluded people who believe that there is an invisible man in the sky, and the even more deluded belief that he is their guy, are left with actual facts, that billions of prayers do absolutely fuck all.
That their guy either doesnt give a shit, or is actively in favour of suffering. Yet they insist on tap dancing around the facts and in the worst cases, cite the "mysterious ways"shit. At the same time women and children die. Millions uprooted and vulnerable. The fact that anybody would have anything but contempt for such an evil bastard of a being is disgraceful.
Even if the evil **** did exist, they should be despised, not worshipped. Everytime i read online some thick deluded **** say, pray for them, I want to reach through the screen and fucking strangle them, whilst shouting, pray for me to stop you absolute twat.
Just watched the BBC report of a young lad who had to have shrapnel removed from his brain. He survived because of science and real people. Some say praise god. For what? Allowing that child to he injured so he could get praise?. What a fucking **** to do that. Fuck religion and all who delude themselves its true. Or I should say, their version is true, on all other versions they are as athiestic as me.
Wake the fuck up.
Lol.
- Decide on personal interpretation of God
- Get angry that the understanding you have invented for God is not doing the things you've decided that God can or should do
- Decide God that you invented is evil
- Curse God
That their guy either doesnt give a shit, or is actively in favour of suffering. Yet they insist on tap dancing around the facts and in the worst cases, cite the "mysterious ways"shit. At the same time women and children die. Millions uprooted and vulnerable. The fact that anybody would have anything but contempt for such an evil bastard of a being is disgraceful.
"Do not think ˹O Prophet˺ that God is unaware of what the wrongdoers do. He only delays them until a Day when ˹their˺ eyes will stare in horror" (Qur'an 14:42)
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"Do not think ˹O Prophet˺ that God is unaware of what the wrongdoers do. He only delays them until a Day when ˹their˺ eyes will stare in horror" (Qur'an 14:42)
Do not think that wrong doers worry about an imaginary friend to the febble minded, being aware or unaware. For he does not exist in any realm, apart from inside the skulls of simpletons and fools.
(MP120322)
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