UEFA Independent Inquiry

M18CTID said:
Yeah, good point - our wonderful UK press seem overly keen to pick up on certain things that the French are saying and passing it off as bullshit when it could just be a case of certain things being lost in translation.
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It's like the constant references to late entry into the stadium. It is actually quite possible to arrive early at the stadium and have late entry into it, and that's exactly what happened. The fact that the French said late entry caused the delay is factually correct - however spokespeople on behalf of Liverpool and the fans and our news media won't stop going on about it because of the implication that the French meant that fans arrived late and were therefore lying.
 
Manx Blue said:
Okay....so how, when he says "all tickets were on a UEFA app", and the LFC website mentions electronic tickets consistently, whay was there paper tickets?

And i'm not getting at anyone so apologies if it appears so PC.
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Because you ask the club to print up a paper ticket for personal preference.
 
paulchapo said:
This kid is at every big match going, he's been to a fair few of ours. I've no idea how he does it but this is his take on the game

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He's a YouTube "Influencer" who will say whatever he's paid to say.

There's a thread somewhere on the city board about him where his dad comes on to defend him.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Wonder if they can ask for a refund? If so, UEFA will be able to work out how many fakes got through.
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2700 refunds to be issued to genuine ticket holders who missed out according to this article. That broadly squares with the 2800 fake tickets that were purportedly found:

www.worldfootball.net

UEFA to compensate 2,700 Champions League ticket holders

European football's governing body UEFA has undertaken to "compensate" 2,700 ticket holders who were "deprived" of the chance to see the Champions League final between Liverpool and Real Madrid, France's Sports Minister said Monday.
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ctwrd said:
Exactly.
3 things at play here:

1. Use of fake/no tickets to get in.

2. “Local” criminals mugging fans before and after the game.

3. Actions of the police in using pepper spray, tear gas etc…

the uk media deny 1 exists. The French authorities deny 2 and 3 exist.

my personal experiences of Paris are of a city that is full of people out to mug and rob tourists. It’s the worst in Europe for it. A large proportion appear to be immigrants also.
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The French haven't denied this as far as I can tell. They've mentioned it and effectively apologised for the police's actions already but for some reason that keeps going under the radar with our wonderful press and large sections of Liverpool's fanbase/Liverpool FC, who instead keep crying about any mention of fake tickets.
 
M18CTID said:
2700 refunds to be issued to genuine ticket holders who missed out according to this article. That broadly squares with the 2800 fake tickets that were purportedly found:

www.worldfootball.net

UEFA to compensate 2,700 Champions League ticket holders

European football's governing body UEFA has undertaken to "compensate" 2,700 ticket holders who were "deprived" of the chance to see the Champions League final between Liverpool and Real Madrid, France's Sports Minister said Monday.
www.worldfootball.net www.worldfootball.net
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Hard to ignore this information.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Hard to ignore this information.
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Yep. It tallies quite well. The only thing I would ask is whether they actually are in possession of all those 2800 fake tickets that we assumed were scanned successfully? I think that would be unlikely as it would involve having to go into the stands to confiscate each one, so when they say "found" it could be that they don't physically have them but the technology has found the fakes that were scanned in and they've been cross referenced with all the genuine ones that were denied access?
 
mat said:
He's a YouTube "Influencer" who will say whatever he's paid to say.

There's a thread somewhere on the city board about him where his dad comes on to defend him.
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I struggled with the explanation of him coming into the North east of the stadium and having delays before going to his seat, when the problems that he was describing were in the south west corner where the LFC fans were coming in. Maybe it's just the way he describes it, maybe I didn't catch what he was saying properly (and I CBA watching it again) but that bit didn't make sense, unless all he's doing is repeating what others have said. Which would make his experience pretty meaningless.
 
M18CTID said:
Yep. It tallies quite well. The only thing I would ask is whether they actually are in possession of all those 2800 fake tickets that we assumed were scanned successfully? I think that would be unlikely as it would involve having to go into the stands to confiscate each one, so when they say "found" it could be that they don't physically have them but the technology has found the fakes that were scanned in and they've been cross referenced with all the genuine ones that were denied access?
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Yeah, it’d be hard to identify them as they’re not real tickets, so the information they hold on their system will be the real people’s data, not the blaggers.

They’d have to identify each person via CCTV in the stadium. That take forever to try and track down 2,700 Norwegians.
 
paulchapo said:
This kid is at every big match going, he's been to a fair few of ours. I've no idea how he does it but this is his take on the game

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He keeps saying he's experienced it first hand but then says he didn't see it but there's plenty of videos to see everything that went on. Make your mind up. Talks about all tickets on the app so why were so many with paper tickets. Maybe local lads were involved but how many were we talking about, 250? Doesn't explain why thousands were outside around the ground who had no reason to be near the stadium
 
M18CTID said:
2700 refunds to be issued to genuine ticket holders who missed out according to this article. That broadly squares with the 2800 fake tickets that were purportedly found:

www.worldfootball.net

UEFA to compensate 2,700 Champions League ticket holders

European football's governing body UEFA has undertaken to "compensate" 2,700 ticket holders who were "deprived" of the chance to see the Champions League final between Liverpool and Real Madrid, France's Sports Minister said Monday.
www.worldfootball.net www.worldfootball.net
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If that is true, and presumably it must be easy to check the no-shows, then who were the thousands of other people outside the LFC gates?
 
Eds said:
He keeps saying he's experienced it first hand but then says he didn't see it but there's plenty of videos to see everything that went on. Make your mind up. Talks about all tickets on the app so why were so many with paper tickets. Maybe local lads were involved but how many were we talking about, 250? Doesn't explain why thousands were outside around the ground who had no reason to be near the stadium
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He says he had tickets from PlayStation so went in an different way.

He also says it was the wrong ground to pick but couldn't come up with an better suggestions. He is just an attention seeker who often gets tickets from unofficial sources and is part of the problem with football these days prevention real fans of clubs going.
 
Corky said:
He says he had tickets from PlayStation so went in an different way.

He also says it was the wrong ground to pick but couldn't come up with an better suggestions. He is just an attention seeker who often gets tickets from unofficial sources and is part of the problem with football these days prevention real fans of clubs going.
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Here in lays the problem, the allocation for both sides for a champions league final will be no where near big enough to satisfy demand even in a stadium the size of the Stade De France. Get rid of the corporates and day out tickets which no one to do with either club has access to, also bring the cost per ticket down. Unfortunately both won’t happen as the champions league final is a lucrative money maker for an inept football administration which is Uefa.
 
Corky said:
He says he had tickets from PlayStation so went in an different way.

He also says it was the wrong ground to pick but couldn't come up with an better suggestions. He is just an attention seeker who often gets tickets from unofficial sources and is part of the problem with football these days prevention real fans of clubs going.
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There's a group of these kids all at games doing these blogs and they seem to get the best seats at a lot of big games. When he went in the ground the girl there was at our game against Villa doing a blog, next week she's at the champions League final.
 
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