Marc Cucurella

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Jwoody19 said:
The weirdest thing here is that BHA got Cucurella for £15m. How can we not spot players like that! The mark up on him is ridiculous. One half decent season for a mid table premier league club and its £50m+ talk about prem tax!
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We do spot them. We just watch them until we know theyre good enough. We dont want to take the risk theyre not a £50m player for a £15m price because for every cucurella theres 100 that when tested prove they arent good enough or dont have the tight mentality etc.
 
richards30 said:
their owner has gone full desperation mode now imo, Cucurella and De Jong will be cracking signings IF they happen but he seems desperate just to flash big money for the fans.
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I wish we were! Seems one step forward (Haaland and Alvarez, finally proper strikers!) but one step back (only two full backs, one of whom can’t really defend)!

Walker and Cancelo are going to have to stay fit and play an awful lot of games this season. Stones is shit at RB and Aké not great at LB.

Hopefully the club is still looking for at least one pacy full back that can actually tackle during the rest of this transfer window. Can’t believe Pep thinks it’s a good idea going for four trophies with the defence so vulnerable to just one player injury.
 
Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
Not sure I agree with you mate.

Their pitch to promising, young, talented players and their agents is ‘come to Brighton, play every week in the PL, showcase your talent and if you get the opportunity for a move to a bigger club, we won’t stand in your way’.

There are plenty of recent quotes to exactly that effect from people at Brighton - David Weir being the most recent.

What they’re showing with Cucurella is that they blocked a move to his first choice (the Champions) even after a transfer request with a valuation the player and agent feel was unreasonable. They paid £15m for him, and apparently we were offering £40m - that’s almost triple their money in a year.

The agent then found an alternative move to another CL club, and they’re blocking that at the moment with an even more unreasonable set of demands.

If you don’t think ambitious players and agents will be watching this very closely, and simply won’t trust what Brighton are telling them in future - I think you’re being naive.

Why go there when you can go to Southampton or one of the other clubs with a similar model, and actually get your move when you want it?
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I don’t disagree with some of what you’re saying but I’m not sure all Agents will entirely look at it that way. If their client is offered a signing on fee and big wages (Premier League lower clubs are still ahead of their European contemporaries on salaries) and they’re getting a cut I doubt if the long term outlook would put them off.

Brighton invest in quite a lot of young players, some who you’ve never heard of, they had several on loan at other clubs last year and brought in 8 players.

Out of their dealings they get the odd decent one who they sell in but there’s not many that make it as top players, Bissouma may, Cucurella may, but apart from Ben White who they sold to Arsenal most of their players that depart are mainly loan deals or sales at nominal prices. Have a look at their transfer deals over the past 4 seasons, the numbers in and out might surprise you.
 
eversince 76 said:
Not bothered if we do not find a left back. We have done great with players out of position and won more silverware than any team in the PL.

Brighton being greedy or we should simply pay another 10mill. is simply stupid. Cucurella is not the best LB all of sudden because we put an interest in him.

No doubt Txiki and Pep have enough vision to see if we need Cucurella that much. The player only proved himself over one PL season. As great a season he has, it doesn’t automatically mean he would’ve stepped in and make us better straight away.

Anyways if we start without a LB fine. If we get another LB I’m sure Pep makes him good enough to play for us in time. If that player is Cucurella or any other LB Txiki and Pep seems fit it’ll do for me.
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Spot on mate.
 
DorisBlue said:
We do spot them. We just watch them until we know theyre good enough. We dont want to take the risk theyre not a £50m player for a £15m price because for every cucurella theres 100 that when tested prove they arent good enough or dont have the tight mentality etc.
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Surely there is less risk buying a player cheap and them not being good enough? We've had bargains in the past and we've also had duds. A cheaper player underperforming doesn't have the same impact as a big money deal. Angelino was moved on quietly and for a good price. I just wonder who our scouts are looking at I suppose.

Has Cucurella really improved that much in 1 year that he's worth £50m? If he was on our radar a year earlier we could have had him for much less hassle and money.
 
hammocity said:
I don’t disagree with some of what you’re saying but I’m not sure all Agents will entirely look at it that way. If their client is offered a signing on fee and big wages (Premier League lower clubs are still ahead of their European contemporaries on salaries) and they’re getting a cut I doubt if the long term outlook would put them off.

Brighton invest in quite a lot of young players, some who you’ve never heard of, they had several on loan at other clubs last year and brought in 8 players.

Out of their dealings they get the odd decent one who they sell in but there’s not many that make it as top players, Bissouma may, Cucurella may, but apart from Ben White who they sold to Arsenal most of their players that depart are mainly loan deals or sales at nominal prices. Have a look at their transfer deals over the past 4 seasons, the numbers in and out might surprise you.
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Yeah - not all agents will mate, you’re absolutely right. Some just want a payday, and to get their player a move to the PL - I don’t dispute that.

But bringing in a couple of unknown kids a year and loaning them out as you highlight won’t keep them competitive on the pitch.

They need players like Cucurella and Bissouma in their team to progress as a club.

It’s this calibre of player I’m suggesting will struggle to trust them in future based on how they’re handling the Cucurella deal.

It’s the clear contradiction in what they’re saying is their model - and how they’re actually behaving in reality which is the issue.

A case in point would be Aleix Pique - Cucurella’s agent. He’s generally considered one of Spain’s up and coming agents, with a growing portfolio of the next generation of Spanish footballing talent in particular.

I’d be astounded if he ever considered taking a player to Brighton again after their performance with Cucurella. And if he were to ever consider it, I’d imagine he’d insist on a series of release clauses before signing - which limits future profits for Brighton.

Others will do the same.

Like I say - they’re doing an incredible job in maxing out the profit on this one deal. And fair play to them. But it will have repercussions which hit them in the long term.

It stinks of someone with no clear strategy, who’s lucked out on the one good deal of their life - and is planning to retire off it.

And I know Bloom is more intelligent and astute than that. It seems like he’s been dazzled by the PR opportunity (given all the ‘big man’ crap he’s feeding to his local press pack), and has lost sight of their supposed strategy in amongst it all.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
That’s almost certainly true, as it’s very likely to be more or less than 19!
That being said, it was 19 points the season before as well..
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Time will tell I guess. Prefer we used our position of supremacy to go for the jugular and dominate even more.
But as ever, will be an interesting season.
 
Jwoody19 said:
Surely there is less risk buying a player cheap and them not being good enough? We've had bargains in the past and we've also had duds. A cheaper player underperforming doesn't have the same impact as a big money deal. Angelino was moved on quietly and for a good price. I just wonder who our scouts are looking at I suppose.

Has Cucurella really improved that much in 1 year that he's worth £50m? If he was on our radar a year earlier we could have had him for much less hassle and money.
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I genuinely think its just not our market.
We either sign ready to go first teamers that will keep us at the top or we sign youth players that can do 1-2 years in EDS or at a CFG club before selling them on for profit.

We don’t look at “bargains” because they are a risk no matter what. £15m is a bloody big risk to take if you arent certain they’ll be good enough. Put 2 or 3 in and the squad quality starts to drop off affecting training, reducing opportunities to EDS, filling spaces for future signings etc.

Brighton or similar can do it because a £15m player is likely to improve their squad or at least not weaken it and gives them upside if he delivers.
 
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