Keir Starmer

Exactly. He’s there to hold the government to account and Parliament isn’t sitting. The best he can do is get front and central in the media but in reality what’s the point when we’re so far from an election and any points that register with the electorate will be long forgotten within a week. Not sure what people expect him to do.
Fucking brilliant.

Now people want him to hold the government to account, who are not there to be beholden to account, and who who only take it is holding and publicise has his own?

Pray tell, do you on the right really have values or do you just want to be populist? (Wankers)
 
Isn't it about attacking the issues of the day and providing a coherent alternative?

As for Labour stopping infighting have you not noticed the MP's being targeted for de-selection?
Right will be right, how far you going, mate. Are you happy with what is happening in OUR world, and with Labour supporting the Unions in the background; who do you want in.

Fuck this bollox, are you for the people, which has to be Labour, or are you for the other, whichever that will be?
 
Fucking brilliant.

Now people want him to hold the government to account, who are not there to be beholden to account, and who who only take it is holding and publicise has his own?

Pray tell, do you on the right really have values or do you just want to be populist? (Wankers)
I’ve read that second paragraph three times and still can’t work out what you’re on about.
 
Right will be right, how far you going, mate. Are you happy with what is happening in OUR world, and with Labour supporting the Unions in the background; who do you want in.

Fuck this bollox, are you for the people, which has to be Labour, or are you for the other, whichever that will be?
Same old tedious shite .....
 


One issue with that. Why reimburse them? Everything from both sides is about making sure the energy companies still make obscene profits. What has to be understood is

1/ The tax windfall tax such as it is announced by Sunak relates to profits since he made the announcement - all previous inflated profits remain untouched.
2/ In their annual reports investment plans are baked in and money set aside so all this windfall profit is not needed for investment and R&D because they already had plans and funds.
3/ In May this year tax arrangements were made ( Under Sunak ) which allow for an investment allowance so oil and gas companies making an investment in new research get NINETY ONE PENCE BACK FOR EVERY POUND THEY COMMIT TO INVESTMENT - so a £100 investment costs them £9 and so on....... its a fucking racket - not sure what some people on here think Starmer and Labour can do about that

 
I’ve read that second paragraph three times and still can’t work out what you’re on about.
It was a question to those on the right, not necessarily for PP, who seems to be the opposite way. Saying that, it seems the far from either side would prefer to go with what we have got, rather than vote for Starmer.

Which, of course, is their right.
 
Same old tedious shite .....
Why is it tedious? You have a choice, like everybody else, and lay it down on this board. From what you say, I see you attack the alternative government from every angle so I can only assume that you are in favour of this current regime as you will not support a change?
 
He's watching them drown in their own shit. He will pop up soon enough
The problem for them is that every time they challenge current policy with a better way of doing things, the Tories copy and paste it and steal all their thunder. I suppose it at least goes to help people but the fact that they get no real credit from the media must be frustrating.

Like, at the moment, they’re now trying to tar Starmer for not being around for a week during these issues, even though he is not in power or able to affect anything due to the lack of government.

I may not be his biggest supporter but it seems very strange that they’d paint him as the absent one when there‘s been nobody in power for weeks now.
 
Nationalise sausages?
I’ve edited it slightly now. I recognise that he’s not who the “proper left” want, but aside from empathising with the RMT & other striking unions, what can Starmer actually do to change anything?

The empathising with unions wouldn’t achieve much either, but would go down well with working class people.
 
I have a plan for the future, lets have elections, whoever wins can do what they like, the opposition though only need to have an opinion or oppose them once the next election is called, until then they need not speak as they "cannot do anything" anyway.

God forbid people speak out or voice concern
 
I have a plan for the future, lets have elections, whoever wins can do what they like, the opposition though only need to have an opinion or oppose them once the next election is called, until then they need not speak as they "cannot do anything" anyway.

God forbid people speak out or voice concern
Have you not been watching, half the stuff they’ve come out with has been quickly nipped off with and turned into Tory policy.
 
No, what you want Starmer to do in this situation where I can’t see what good he can do.
The 'tedious shite' line was in response to said poster but could easily apply to this.



Dressing something up as a significant 'intervention ' when it amounts to a saving of 18p a day with the providers being reimbursed for their losses at the expense of the taxpayer is the definition of piss weak in my book. Fair enough they are promising more but they are hardly setting a high bar.

Sitting on the fence saying 'fuck all I can do about it' while waiting for the government to self implode could be seen as a reasonable strategy in 'normal times' but we are far from that so it isn't.

In short he is the leader of the opposition so I expect him to oppose and do all he can to push the government to intervene and alleviate the suffering that is on the horizon. IMO the reason he won't go to those lengths isn't because he believes it is futile but that he, or more likely Reeves, believe it is 'fiscally irresponsible '.

Sleepwalking into another Tory majority with these clowns in charge.
 
The 'tedious shite' line was in response to said poster but could easily apply to this.



Dressing something up as a significant 'intervention ' when it amounts to a saving of 18p a day with the providers being reimbursed for their losses at the expense of the taxpayer is the definition of piss weak in my book. Fair enough they are promising more but they are hardly setting a high bar.

Sitting on the fence saying 'fuck all I can do about it' while waiting for the government to self implode could be seen as a reasonable strategy in 'normal times' but we are far from that so it isn't.

In short he is the leader of the opposition so I expect him to oppose and do all he can to push the government to intervene and alleviate the suffering that is on the horizon. IMO the reason he won't go to those lengths isn't because he believes it is futile but that he, or more likely Reeves, believe it is 'fiscally irresponsible '.

Sleepwalking into another Tory majority with these clowns in charge.

The Tories will U turn repeatedly on this as more and more people hit crisis point.

Starmer could suggest he’d renationalise all energy companies, but he wouldn’t be able to do that until 2025.

An 80 seat majority means Starmer is powerless to do anything.
 

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