Gas & Electricity

MCFC_ Phil said:
Yes 4% from Russia. But that makes no difference to price we are paying. And yes I'm confident that we will get a package to help out. I sense a left leaning post above.
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As ive stated at least twice now, this has nothing to do with whatever party anyone supports...thats the actual issue....I dont think any of them actually care..whether its the current people in charge or the opposition....I wouldnt trust any of them as most are so far detached from reality that they have little to no idea how the average person on the street lives

You suggesting I lean one way or the other is THE problem...I dont care about your colour of political favour...blie, red, yellow whatever....what I care about is what is happening to this country....NONE of them have done any good for the average person in the street.

There are some things that should never ever be negotiable, never ever allowed to be a political football that is kicked around by whatever party. The NHS is the first, education is another and the standards of living is another.....there are probably others but these 3 should be off the debating table...there should be cross party collaberation on these at all times to work out what is best instead of buffoons shouting at each other across some ancient hall, achieving nothing and just taking home a hefty pay check and ...on these areas it shouldnt be about political point scoring but serving the people of this country to the best of their abilities.....
 
Kevinblue10 said:
So are you prepared to live like this winter after winter mate.
This is the attitude the elites in this country rely on the mustnt grumble British attitude...they piss themselves laughing at this behind closed doors
Get it through your head mate the elites have contempt for you and make do and mend won't cut it
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Totally agree. This isn't some third world country, we're considered to be a wealthy nation. Nobody should have to worry about bills to this extent in the 21st century, there are enough resources.

Norway are not helping by cashing in. They're now supplying the EU with more gas than Russia, and apparently even admit the price is high "but we're not going to change it".
 
simon23 said:
As ive stated at least twice now, this has nothing to do with whatever party anyone supports...thats the actual issue....I dont think any of them actually care..whether its the current people in charge or the opposition....I wouldnt trust any of them as most are so far detached from reality that they have little to no idea how the average person on the street lives

You suggesting I lean one way or the other is THE problem...I dont care about your colour of political favour...blie, red, yellow whatever....what I care about is what is happening to this country....NONE of them have done any good for the average person in the street.

There are some things that should never ever be negotiable, never ever allowed to be a political football that is kicked around by whatever party. The NHS is the first, education is another and the standards of living is another.....there are probably others but these 3 should be off the debating table...there should be cross party collaberation on these at all times to work out what is best instead of buffoons shouting at each other across some ancient hall, achieving nothing and just taking home a hefty pay check and ...on these areas it shouldnt be about political point scoring but serving the people of this country to the best of their abilities.....
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Best post of the day.

The last part is the crux of the problem. Brexit...Covid...Energy Crisis...ALL you hear is the other side bickering about what the current incumbents are doing, no doing, or doing wrong, regardless of who's who or which side they're on. There needs to be a plan to get back to basics and sort all this crap out, instead of constant battling and trying to win brownie points off each other. When you look at what is spent on some of the things they blow money on, from the top even down to council level, while they're clueless about what to do about the basics, the things that really affect people, it beggars belief.

A simple point in fact is the local council. Here in Blackpool, when the buses were council run we had the oldest buses in the country because they were skint - despite the trams making millions from tourists every year. Now the buses are empty they can somehow afford to buy a new fleet. But that's not all - they're now replacing the new fleet AGAIN with an all electric one, despite all the buses being less than 5 years old. This is a town that is said to be one of the most deprived in the country, yet this is what they think we need more than anything. There's no money to repair the pot holes, which are also said to be the worst in the country.

Sorry, rant not intended, got carried away there but it's typical of why this country isn't working.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Absolutely not pal but I also don’t want to get into debt either. I know what you mean but they don’t give a shit if I’m cut off or not so I’ll do everything in my power to do that and then next elections I’ll make sure the cunts never come back
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I agree with your sentiments, but I have no faith whatsoever that whoever gets in will be any better. Far too much of a gap between top and bottom, the system just doesn't work. Never has, never will.
 
coolcity said:
Absolutely, but that's the point isn't it? If they have an income of £85k a year then that should be sufficient to live well enough for most people. If not, they're spending too much. That's not the same as a couple on minimum wage, or the millions who can't afford to buy a house and are tied into renting - in line with everything else, our landlord has just told us the rent is going up.
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But its all relative isn't it? If they earn £85k they likely have a more expensive car and house to pay for, that doesn't mean that they can somehow afford a ridiculous increase in their utility bills

Nobody should have to reassess their finances in order to pay these bills, that's what they want us to do

Once we do that, and adapt to this new cost of living, those prices will NEVER come back down, and we will all be much worse off

Don't have a pop at someone, anyone, regardless of their salaries, just because they're showing frustration and worry about being much worse off than they used to be
 
chris85mcfc said:
But its all relative isn't it? If they earn £85k they likely have a more expensive car and house to pay for, that doesn't mean that they can somehow afford a ridiculous increase in their utility bills

Nobody should have to reassess their finances in order to pay these bills, that's what they want us to do

Once we do that, and adapt to this new cost of living, those prices will NEVER come back down, and we will all be much worse off

Don't have a pop at someone, anyone, regardless of their salaries, just because they're showing frustration and worry about being much worse off than they used to be
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It wasn't about having a pop at anybody, I was picking up on what somebody else pointed out about saying they would struggle if it got any worse. The point is there's a difference between struggling because you overspent and struggling because you can't afford the bills in the first place.

I totally agree, nobody should have to reassess to pay basic cost of living bills - I'm in exactly the same position. But if you're able to do so then it's not so much of a struggle as it would be for many that don't have that luxury.
 
coolcity said:
They are, but as we only import 3% of our gas from Russia, why are they using that as an excuse for the exponential price increases here? As Germany take a large percentage of their gas from Russia you could understand the price hikes there as they have to find alternative suppliers, but it doesn't explain why we're having to pay extortionate rates.
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3 responses ago I talked about the ripple effect.

What do you think happens when Europe turns its back on Russia and wants to buy from Norway? Our prices go up too !
 
coolcity said:
It wasn't about having a pop at anybody, I was picking up on what somebody else pointed out about saying they would struggle if it got any worse. The point is there's a difference between struggling because you overspent and struggling because you can't afford the bills in the first place.

I totally agree, nobody should have to reassess to pay basic cost of living bills - I'm in exactly the same position. But if you're able to do so then it's not so much of a struggle as it would be for many that don't have that luxury.
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simple fact is if you are paying attention whilst the news is focussing on domestic bills great swathes of the High St and SME's are about to close - saw one on twitter today - a pub energy quote going from 6k a year to 62k a year - family run chip shops who had 4 outlets down to two and thats before they facing the next round of increases looking at giving up after 3 generations in operation and a large clothing retailer looking at all its outlets with a view to closing 25% of them not because they are running at a loss now but considering they will be by the end of September. Still Johnson has had a few nice holidays eh?
 
bluethrunthru said:
simple fact is if you are paying attention whilst the news is focussing on domestic bills great swathes of the High St and SME's are about to close - saw one on twitter today - a pub energy quote going from 6k a year to 62k a year - family run chip shops who had 4 outlets down to two and thats before they facing the next round of increases looking at giving up after 3 generations in operation and a large clothing retailer looking at all its outlets with a view to closing 25% of them not because they are running at a loss now but considering they will be by the end of September. Still Johnson has had a few nice holidays eh?
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I know. I run a small retail business and it's a double whammy for us; bills go up AND people have less to spend so income goes down. It's been much quieter since the first price hike a few months ago Couldn't have happened at a worse time for us either, as the wife, who's 67, was about to retire. So I know exactly how the guy feels and I don't disagree with what he was saying, but there's "struggling" and there's "struggling".
 
Octavian said:
3 responses ago I talked about the ripple effect.

What do you think happens when Europe turns its back on Russia and wants to buy from Norway? Our prices go up too !
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Yes of course, but the point is we buy in much LESS of a percentage of our gas than most other EU countries, so as such it should not affect us as much. At the start of all this, those were the government's own words not mine.
 
Been touring the Scottish Highlands last week so never bothered checking my Emails till this evening . Received a Email from British Gas on Wednesday . New tariff now £177 a month from £85 for dual fuel . That`s before the latest rise .
 
Blue Boy 63 said:
Been touring the Scottish Highlands last week so never bothered checking my Emails till this evening . Received a Email from British Gas on Wednesday . New tariff now £177 a month from £85 for dual fuel . That`s before the latest rise .
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On the plus side you have now found a use for the £92 you had going spare every month eh?
 
bluethrunthru said:
On the plus side you have now found a use for the £92 you had going spare every month eh?
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Yeah . So very kind of BG to help me out like they have . I`m sure they`re be another Email winging my way way in the next week or two helping me out again .
 
Doesn't sound like I'll be getting any help from Sunak if he gets in because me and my wife both work (not for great money). He's going down the low income households (that we always miss out on as we are usually just above the threshold) & pensioners route. That's the punishment you get for getting married, having kids and trying to better yourself.

It's ok though coz at least I'll know my sister-in-law down the road who sits on her arse all day, gets everything paid for her, drives about in her brand new car she gets coz one of her 4 kids is naughty and doesn't declare that her working partner lives with her, will be nice and warm & quids in... again....

Rant over!
 
bluethrunthru said:
simple fact is if you are paying attention whilst the news is focussing on domestic bills great swathes of the High St and SME's are about to close - saw one on twitter today - a pub energy quote going from 6k a year to 62k a year - family run chip shops who had 4 outlets down to two and thats before they facing the next round of increases looking at giving up after 3 generations in operation and a large clothing retailer looking at all its outlets with a view to closing 25% of them not because they are running at a loss now but considering they will be by the end of September. Still Johnson has had a few nice holidays eh?
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My business isn't too energy dependent but the current climate is a struggle anyway so my heart goes out to those people running businesses like chip shops, pubs or any energy intensive production or service etc they must be absolutely distraught and at the end of their tether. Similarly I do the maths domestically and it doesn't add up and I think about the choices but they are nowhere near the nightmare choices so many people are already having to make daily as a result of the cost of living.

Martin Lewis hit the nail on the head when he said a responsible government wouldn't have allowed the recent announcements without clear plans for relief all ready to announce too. But the government don't give a toss about the vast majority of the population's mental health because they don't give a toss about the vast majority of the population full stop.

Hopefully this will be the tipping point where a sufficient number of people in the country realise the current government and conservative party represent a tiny minority of the population. They do do not care about the vast majority of us, we are not their real constituents. They don't want us to prosper, that's not what they work for. They are happy for you to exist to the extent it's necessary and If a proportion of us prosper for a period of time then they don't have a problem with that but it's a byproduct not an end goal.

There will be a proportion of the population who still think the likes of Boris Johnson represents them much more than the likes of Mick Lynch but unless your are a very high net worth individual I would suggest you are wrong.
 
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