Gas & Electricity

BerkshireBlue said:
I don't want to derail the chat but HS2 is false promise. It's only linking Birmingham to London fast but guess what it already has a fast link already. The last time I looked trains to London were getting slashed anyway. How will it pay for itself? the person wanting to go to London will go to London regardless of it taking 10 minutes longer or not. Ther only way it would pay for itself is if the ticket prices for HS2 train were double the price of the existing trains. That's the only way it will pay for itself and I hazard a guess that is what they'll attempt to do.

The example I've used demonstrates there's 100 billions of pounds available to the treasury whenever they want to do a vanity project. Don't let them con you into thinking money doesn't exist. They could easily afford solar panels and batteries for every household they just don't want to spend it on you and rather get rich by making their businesses they hold shares in richer.
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The way things are going by the time it's up and running there will be no businesses left for people to commute to.
 
Who the fuck wants to go to London anyway! My dad got a fixed deal last year and his standing charges are higher than my variable, this for me is one if the great rip offs, it’s there for infrastructure etc so why the different rates, everyone should pay the same. Sick to the back teeth of been ripped off by the very very well off and Truss can just fuck off.
 
inbetween said:
It is stupid but it's pretty obvious why, it's because renewables are not consistent in producing electricity. Solar today is producing just 4.4% of our electricity, for wind it's 21%. On some days it's less and on some days it's more, however gas is consistently the majority source because it has to be.

So if they indeed put you on a renewable tariff separated from the price of gas then yeah it'd be cheaper but you'd have to accept that the lights would be off most of the time.

This is the idiocy of the green movement which demands a wholesale move to renewables with solar panels and wind turbines replacing gas. They can't quite answer what we do when there is no wind blowing and no sun shining. The answer can only be nuclear but that requires massive investment and tricky questions for the greens and NIMBY types.
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Rolls Royce already planning for the future, hopefully the share price will recover on the back of this, mine have gone from 40% plus a year ago to a near 30% loss at todays price.

www.rolls-royce.com

Small modular reactors

Rolls-Royce SMR LTD was established to develop an affordable power plant that generates electricity using a small modular reactor.
www.rolls-royce.com www.rolls-royce.com
 
I have a pre-pay meter, and except for the hours I use a computer, charge my phone, have my fridge and freezer on, all other appliances are off in my 2 bed apartment as I don't need anything else. At this point I'm roughly at a £40 a month running cost for my electric bill, outside of lads coming to stay with me (they play PS4 etc).

It'll be interesting to see the outcome in October.

Anyway, the end of this clip is important. If your supplier comes to your door to 'fit a new meter', don't let them...


 
Who the fuck wants to go to London anyway! My dad got a fixed deal last year and his standing charges are higher than my variable, this for me is one if the great rip offs, it’s there for infrastructure etc so why the different rates, everyone should pay the same. Sick to the back teeth of been ripped off by the very very well off and Truss can just fuck off.
 
M18CTID said:
But you said yourself that this could go on for a lot longer than a year so what do we do if we've cancelled HS2 and the £100 billion has been dished out, only to find ourselves in the same position 12 months later?

Besides, cancelling HS2 at this stage isn't a realistic option. Billions and billions have already been spent on it, plenty of work has already been done, contracts signed, etc, so cancelling it now will cost billions more which no doubt would then be passed onto the taxpayer. Oh, and thousands of jobs will be lost. It's also short-sighted to say that the only benefit of HS2 is that we can get to London half an hour quicker. This country has been crying out for a decent high speed rail link between London and the major UK cities for decades, and many European countries shit all over us in that regard. HS2 - once it is up and running - will be capable of providing up to 18 trains an hour to and from London which is a huge increase on what we have today. It will also more than pay for itself over time so the idea that it is £100 billion spunked into thin air simply isn't true. We're forever berating the short-sightedness of the government (be it this one or previous ones) but then when they do actually come up with a long-term project like this - and one that is backed by all 3 main political parties - people still aren't happy.
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Spot on.
I have just returned from Italy, you know, the country that makes our rolling stock, and their rail network makes me ashamed of the U.K. We’re stuck in the dark ages with our trains and stations.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
Spot on.
I have just returned from Italy, you know, the country that makes our rolling stock, and their rail network makes me ashamed of the U.K. We’re stuck in the dark ages with our trains and stations.
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I thought the same.

Many European countries put us to shame when it comes to public transport. I've spent time recently in the Czech Republic, Italy, Spain, France and Austria and all of them have far superior (and cheaper) transport options.

How did we ever get left this far behind?
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
I thought the same.

Many European countries put us to shame when it comes to public transport. I've spent time recently in the Czech Republic, Italy, Spain, France and Austria and all of them have far superior (and cheaper) transport options.

How did we ever get left this far behind?
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Privatisation?
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
I thought the same.

Many European countries put us to shame when it comes to public transport. I've spent time recently in the Czech Republic, Italy, Spain, France and Austria and all of them have far superior (and cheaper) transport options.

How did we ever get left this far behind?
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Because people have this unshakable view that the "Great" in "Great Britain" is some permanent fixture that needs no work, no foresight and no effort.

The same people who think we are better off out of the EU. One or two trips to the continent should be all that it takes to see how much better other countries are in terms of infrastructure.

And, of course, successive Labour and Tory governments who don't invest in infrastructure.
 
Stations and infrastructure may be state owned but in Italy Italo are a private company running alongside Trenitalia with a slightly more expensive service than the state one.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
The example I've used demonstrates there's 100 billions of pounds available to the treasury whenever they want to do a vanity project. Don't let them con you into thinking money doesn't exist. They could easily afford solar panels and batteries for every household they just don't want to spend it on you and rather get rich by making their businesses they hold shares in richer.
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Anyone who believes we live in a ''Democracy'' is either deluded, gullible or just a bit thick (probably all three)

What we live in is a combination of a Corporatocracy, Kleptocracy and Oligarchy.

The only meaningless sham of democratic process we have in this country is getting to vote for which ever self serving politician puppet of the banks, the corps and the establishment we want to tell us what we can and can't do.
 
mancityvstoke said:
ok sorry ...privatisation is brilliant and went really well.
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I was asking as I wasn't sure. I have no idea if public transport systems in other European countries are state or privately owned. I was making no comment (positive or negative) regarding privatisation.

Whatever the reason, they all seem superior to ours.
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
I was asking as I wasn't sure. I have no idea if public transport systems in other European countries are state or privately owned. I was making no comment (positive or negative) regarding privatisation.

Whatever the reason, they all seem superior to ours.
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I don't know about European transport models, only here and ours is expensive and shit.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
Yes they are. The infrastructure, rail network, stations etc.
Also most of the operators are. Some private companies run alongside them.
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Thanks for the answer. I wonder if ours had remained in the control of the state whether or not it would be on a par with other EU countries. I suspect that it would probably be a state owned shambles rather than a private shambles but who knows?
 
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