VAR thread 2022/23

[BlueHammer85]

I don't normally waste my time replying to your posts, this one shows why. You have deliberately made a stupid conversation up to support your point. Do you think the referee initiates the conversation ? Second are you saying he is using var to referee the game (I think, not I saw) if you do, you have just ruined your own argument. Var is not there to assist in the way you imply.
The point of being able to hear them is...
Var: 'in the build up mahrez handles the ball, please view the screen to see if you agree and do you believe it was intentional'
At least the fans in the ground, the important ones, know why a great goal is being ruled out.

For me, I’d support VAR interfering and assisting the referee if he has missed something blatant - if a player has punched another player in the face and the officials on the pitch have missed that - why should the player remain on the pitch ? I’d want someone immediately to inform the ref.

Secondly, I’d welcome a referee who isn’t sure on a decision to ask the VAR team or go check on the screen

I don’t see why the above is a extreme position to take

The problems is there is so many gray areas in football, what some fans deem as blatant others don’t and officials have a knack of simply getting it wrong even with the benefit of a monitor - it’s infuriating but I’m not sure what the answer is apart from continually find ways to improve the system and the transparency- I believe everyone in the game wants the same

 

[johnnytapia]

The law seems incongruous. How can a goalkeeper commit a handball offence within their own penalty area?

Back pass

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Also, (for example) what if fans are outraged over a handball given in the box

and we get to hear the officials - ref' I think the ball hit him on the hands, pretty sure it's intentional what do you think?'' VAR team ''we think so too''

thats it? how will that satisfy anyone that feels it's the wrong decision?

Can’t believe you are against transparency.

 

[johnnytapia]

For me, I’d support VAR interfering and assisting the referee if he has missed something blatant - if a player has punched another player in the face and the officials on the pitch have missed that - why should the player remain on the pitch ? I’d want someone immediately to inform the ref.

Secondly, I’d welcome a referee who isn’t sure on a decision to ask the VAR team or go check on the screen

I don’t see why the above is a extreme position to take

The problems is there is so many gray areas in football, what some fans deem as blatant others don’t and officials have a knack of simply getting it wrong even with the benefit of a monitor - it’s infuriating but I’m not sure what the answer is apart from continually find ways to improve the system and the transparency- I believe everyone in the game wants the same

You either don’t know how to spell “grey” or you’re American. In which case, I can understand why you know fuck all about football.

 

[Stephen230]

I think it was the red card visit to the monitor that he looked for ages , turned away and went to walk off but half turned back , he wasnt sure, god knows what was being said to him in his ear

I’m only guessing obviously but I suspect that last little look back was just to confirm it was outside the box and not a penalty. Probably concentrating on making sure it was a red card initially and then as he went to walk away and give it, maybe thought to himself…oh hang on, it was outside wasn’t it?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Can’t believe you are against transparency.

It doesn’t read to me like that. He’s asking what good listening to a ref saying what he wrote would do?

You'd still be annoyed if you were 100% convinced the wrong call has been made.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Can’t believe you are against transparency.

Read my last post , I’m not , I’m for it - I’m just not sure it will bring much to please - I’m sure if we heard and read the transcripts so many would look at angles for a conspiracy

 

[Blue Mist]

It does seem that handballs on the continent are given for most touches of the ball on the arm, whether accidental or not.

There seems to be less tolerance than in the PL.

Reading the laws, you can strongly argue that both handballs last night weren’t fouls and probably wouldn’t have been in the PL.

The only good thing I can say about the ref is that he was consistent. He was crap at interpreting the laws though. That isn’t VAR’s fault though.

@Alan Harper's Tash that sums it up. Tuesday was an idiot in front of a monitor instructing the referee about what to do. The issue was he was not following Uefas rule re deliberate handball, I could laugh as at least he was consistently wrong for both teams.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

It doesn’t read to me like that. He’s asking what good listening to a ref saying what he wrote would do?

You'd still be annoyed if you were 100% convinced the wrong call has been made.

Nope. I’d understand the decision better so be less annoyed.

 

[BlueHammer85]

You either don’t know how to spell “grey” or you’re American. In which case, I can understand why you know fuck all about football.

Either way is fine , gray is used slightly more in America. But yeh, definitely can see how you can equate that to knowing fuck all about football

 

[Blue Mist]

For me, I’d support VAR interfering and assisting the referee if he has missed something blatant - if a player has punched another player in the face and the officials on the pitch have missed that - why should the player remain on the pitch ? I’d want someone immediately to inform the ref.

Secondly, I’d welcome a referee who isn’t sure on a decision to ask the VAR team or go check on the screen

I don’t see why the above is a extreme position to take

The problems is there is so many gray areas in football, what some fans deem as blatant others don’t and officials have a knack of simply getting it wrong even with the benefit of a monitor - it’s infuriating but I’m not sure what the answer is apart from continually find ways to improve the system and the transparency- I believe everyone in the game wants the same

No one is talking about a punch in the face ! Of course Var should intervene then. You said the referee initiated the conversation 'I THINK that was handball what do you think'.
Var is not there to referee the game in that way.
It is now on record that the referee was
wrong on 3 major decisions and yet under the rules, in 2 of those decisions he was correct.
Var, the person you defend so much was wrong. He was a clueless idiot who ruined a game fans had travelled hundreds of miles to watch.
I will say it again, the video assistant referee is clearly shown to be wrong in 2 out of the 3 decisions he made.
So what's the point.

 

[Paladin]

Back pass

Which is penalised by an indirect free kick. A handball offence by a defender in the penalty area results in a penalty against the offending player. A back pass picked up by the goalkeeper is not a handball offence.

 

[Stephen230]

Which is penalised by an indirect free kick. A handball offence by a defender in the penalty area results in a penalty against the offending player. A back pass picked up by the goalkeeper is not a handball offence.

I think the guy who first brought it up just misinterpreted what it said. It was just reinforcing that a goalkeeper can’t be penalised for handball in his own area.

 

[Paladin]

I think the guy who first brought it up just misinterpreted what it said. It was just reinforcing that a goalkeeper can’t be penalised for handball in his own area.

Ok. My second apology of the day for misunderstanding a reply. I've hastily deleted my response.

 

[BlueHammer85]

No one is talking about a punch in the face ! Of course Var should intervene then. .

Ok so your in favour of VAR then ? Or still want it completely scrapped ?

And yes it’s obvious VAR should intervene for a blatant assault - but should it intervene for a blatant dive in the box that has conned the ref ? Should it intervene for a blatant offside ? … if you’re in the yes camp then you’re the same as me - I just want a VAR team in place to assist the ref in decisions he has missed. If only it was just that simple and they got it right 100% of the time.

 

[Bluekiwi]

Gomez did foul him though. Tbh I thought that was a good use of var.

Fair comment - but what really annoyed me was the length of time between the incidents and the ref getting informed there was something to check.

 

[Blue Mist]

Ok so your in favour of VAR then ? Or still want it completely scrapped ?

And yes it’s obvious VAR should intervene for a blatant assault - but should it intervene for a blatant dive in the box that has conned the ref ? Should it intervene for a blatant offside ? … if you’re in the yes camp then you’re the same as me - I just want a VAR team in place to assist the ref in decisions he has missed. If only it was just that simple and they got it right 100% of the time.

As usual you just twist everything and anything. It isn't worth engaging with you, I don't know why I did.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

VAR is like the EU. Most people see the value of having a camera to clarify what the ref has or hasn't seen, and confirming that a goal has been legally scored, but in it's present iteration, where its operation since it reared its ugly head has resulted in changes in the LotG, and delivered the shit show that is now covered with handball. They are both in need of reform. Perhaps it might be useful to merge the VAR thread and the EU thread! But I have more faith in the apparatchiks in Brussels coming up with a much better model than the whistling wankers at PiGMOL, the PL and the FA have of giving the fans a comprehensive version of what they are doing and what VAR is up to!

 

[BlueHammer85]

As usual you just twist everything and anything. It isn't worth engaging with you, I don't know why I did.

Nope, was just asking a straight question out of interest

Do you support VAR to intervene on off the ball incidents like the example I gave in which officials may miss or would you scrap it completely?

 

[BlueHammer85]

VAR is like the EU. Most people see the value of having a camera to clarify what the ref has or hasn't seen, and confirming that a goal has been legally scored, but in it's present iteration, where its operation since it reared its ugly head has resulted in changes in the LotG, and delivered the shit show that is now covered with handball. They are both in need of reform. Perhaps it might be useful to merge the VAR thread and the EU thread! But I have more faith in the apparatchiks in Brussels coming up with a much better model than the whistling wankers at PiGMOL, the PL and the FA have of giving the fans a comprehensive version of what they are doing and what VAR is up to!

Varxit means Varxit!