Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

Gone for a Burton said:
City keep matters confidential until all elements of a particular phase or signing are complete and secure.....it will all happen in sequence, its a question of when.

The economic outlook is not good !!
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I’m not saying they (City or CFG) are or will do, but they can’t put off building the proposals because of the current economic claimante. Another deep recession could last between 3 to 5 years. That’s another 3-5 years wasted. Eventually the economy will bounce back again. Now is the time to build the proposals because they will be finished towards the end of any current recession and the start of economic growth. Recesssions come and go in cycles.

The fact that the arena is well over budget, but still under construction, albeit behind schedule, is very reassuring, and shows the determination of CFG and Silverlake to get the arena built, regardless of the spiralling costs.

Let’s not kid ourselves. If Sheikh Mansour and ADUG wanted to fund these developments on their own, they could. Sheikh Mansour has a personal fortune of $20bill. He has access to $bill’s at very favourable rates, if not for free? Money is not a problem for Sheikh Mansour and ADUG.
 
jrb said:
I’m not saying they (City or CFG) are or will do, but they can’t put off building the proposals because of the current economic claimante. Another deep recession could last between 3 to 5 years. That’s another 3-5 years wasted. Eventually the economy will bounce back again. Now is the time to build the proposals because they will be finished towards the end of any current recession and the start of economic growth. Recesssions come and go in cycles.

The fact that the arena is well over budget, but still under construction, albeit behind schedule, is very reassuring, and shows the determination of CFG and Silverlake to get the arena built, regardless of the spiralling costs.

Let’s not kid ourselves. If Sheikh Mansour and ADUG wanted to fund these developments on their own, they could. Sheikh Mansour has a personal fortune of $20bill. He has access to $bill’s at very favourable rates, if not for free? Money is not a problem for Sheikh Mansour and ADUG.
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I and many other would agree on the benefits of timing.

However, others will have reams of trends data, demographic analysis, population forecasts,occupancy %, fiscal returns etc that will or has shaped their decisions.

Rich people remain rich by getting the key decisions right !!
 
jrb said:
I’m not saying they (City or CFG) are or will do, but they can’t put off building the proposals because of the current economic claimante. Another deep recession could last between 3 to 5 years. That’s another 3-5 years wasted. Eventually the economy will bounce back again. Now is the time to build the proposals because they will be finished towards the end of any current recession and the start of economic growth. Recesssions come and go in cycles.

The fact that the arena is well over budget, but still under construction, albeit behind schedule, is very reassuring, and shows the determination of CFG and Silverlake to get the arena built, regardless of the spiralling costs.

Let’s not kid ourselves. If Sheikh Mansour and ADUG wanted to fund these developments on their own, they could. Sheikh Mansour has a personal fortune of $20bill. He has access to $bill’s at very favourable rates, if not for free? Money is not a problem for Sheikh Mansour and ADUG.
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Love it when you talk dirty jrb
 
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MadchesterCity said:
Can you check? Etihad really needs a rail link
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No chance of a rail link directly from Piccadilly to The Etihad. It'd need a part of the viaduct re-building to complete the loop otherwise the driver will have to change ends at Ashbury which limits the size of the train being used. This won't be cost effective (IMO).
That whole stretch of track of Piccadilly to Ashbury is just too busy to fit more trains in, even on just a match/concert day.
 
Gone for a Burton said:
I and many other would agree on the benefits of timing.

However, others will have reams of trends data, demographic analysis, population forecasts,occupancy %, fiscal returns etc that will or has shaped their decisions.

Rich people remain rich by getting the key decisions right !!
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14 years is a long time for that data to stop the Collar site from being developed. And much of those 14 years have been economic growth.

I appreciate during that time the CFA has been built and the South stand has been expanded.

Since the inception of Manchester Life, ADUG, an investment vehicle, has built 8 residential developments around Ancoats and New Islington. https://mcrlife.co.uk/

TBH I’m more than a little frustrated that there hasn’t even been a proposal for the Collar site made public, let alone a planning application submitted, and a start on site, 14 years on Since Sheikh Mansour bought the club.

The silence from the MCC is also very strange considering how happy and buoyed they and Sir Richard Leese were when Manchester won the Super Casino bid. You’d think MCC would be a bit frustrated in private with ADUG at the lack progress on the site that could have created and sustained 10,000’s of new jobs by now.

Yes, the arena is under construction, and there are solid rumours of a proposed hotel on the corner of the Collar site. That is a plus.

May have already been posted?

Andy Mallins - Twitter.

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Collar site car park. ^^^^^
 
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There seemed to be works going on again in that corner right next to the bridge today.

jrb said:
TBH I’m more than a little frustrated that there hasn’t even been a proposal for the Collar site made public, let alone a planning application submitted
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You’ll be fine. :)

Nice pic by the way.
 
This is a good read, tells you what is happening behind the scene and what is going to happen on the site if the council and developers work together

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Eastlands regeneration framework - 2019 update | Manchester City Council

Manchester City Council download - Eastlands regeneration framework - 2019 update | Planning and regeneration
www.manchester.gov.uk www.manchester.gov.uk

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Plans to open 'world class' sports university next to Man City ground

Council bosses view the university plan as the lynchpin of another regeneration boom around Eastlands
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
 
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jimharri said:
Is the arena still on schedule for completion next year?
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Not at the moment from snippets on here. But that may change again.

Was told last week by 1 lad from a mobile crane company currently onsite this the static crane which was supposed to be in place this month to move the massive steel roof trusses into place won’t be in place until January.
 
Silvercloud said:
No chance of a rail link directly from Piccadilly to The Etihad. It'd need a part of the viaduct re-building to complete the loop otherwise the driver will have to change ends at Ashbury which limits the size of the train being used. This won't be cost effective (IMO).
That whole stretch of track of Piccadilly to Ashbury is just too busy to fit more trains in, even on just a match/concert day.
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Yes, this is why it probably won’t happen. A train using a reinstalled viaduct would only be able to leave from one of the low number platforms at Piccadilly, avoiding crossing too many points, which means Piccadilly is the terminus. If you compare this with a train from Newcastle going through Victoria then through the Ordsall Chord into Piccadilly 13/14 it can then go onto the airport or other places so is a more flexible and useful solution. Trains calling at one city centre station then finishing at another just add traffic for little gain.
 
HelloCity said:
Didn’t that get cancelled or am I thinking of something else?
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Yes. The University pulled out. They didn’t want their students to have to traipse over to East Manchester. Apparently it didn’t go down well with MCC.

It’s now based on Oxford Road.

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jrb said:
Yes. The University pulled out. They didn’t want their students to have to traipse over to East Manchester. Apparently it didn’t go down well with MCC.

It’s now based on Oxford Road.

www.mmu.ac.uk

Institute of Sport

Harnessing expertise across the world of sport to push boundaries, improve lives and shape society.
www.mmu.ac.uk www.mmu.ac.uk

MMU Institute of Sport, Manchester | Eric Wright Group

www.ericwright.co.uk www.ericwright.co.uk
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Maybe they’ll have regrets when the area becomes more developed and evolves into a ‘place to be’.
 
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