Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[JGL07]

There'd have to be a change in regulations to enable safe standing in the first place, there's no reason that the 3 in 2 seats limit couldn't be applied as well. I found it interesting that City say they're 'bespoke' rail seats, makes me wonder what exactly they entail.

But stadium capacity is not determined by the space available. It comes from factors like escape routes and the time taken to empty the ground.

All the indications are that there will be no change in capacity. Instead of sitting in a seat, you will stand behind the rail barrier. That certainly happened in the safe standing area at Celtic Park and I suspect at the Tottenham Stadium.

It might be different if the stand was newly built as they could engineer in the necessary escape provisions. But that cannot be done by retrofitting rail seating into an existing stand.

 

[Centurions]

But stadium capacity is not determined by the space available. It comes from factors like escape routes and the time taken to empty the ground.

All the indications are that there will be no change in capacity. Instead of sitting in a seat, you will stand behind the rail barrier. That certainly happened in the safe standing area at Celtic Park and I suspect at the Tottenham Stadium.

It might be different if the stand was newly built as they could engineer in the necessary escape provisions. But that cannot be done by retrofitting rail seating into an existing stand.

Of course, but are you just assuming that there's not already sufficient leeway to accommodate say 2,500 fans in the lower tier? When the North Stand was extended the same spirals were used although I'm aware it's not a linear equation.

 

[bluesmith]

Of course, but are you just assuming that there's not already sufficient leeway to accommodate say 2,500 fans in the lower tier? When the North Stand was extended the same spirals were used although I'm aware it's not a linear equation.

I would imagine there is enough leeway, we have more than the level one capacity at ground level for concerts when you consider the standing tickets which use the same exits?

 

[JGL07]

Of course, but are you just assuming that there's not already sufficient leeway to accommodate say 2,500 fans in the lower tier? When the North Stand was extended the same spirals were used although I'm aware it's not a linear equation.

It depends on how much redundancy was built into the initial design. I suspect that when the Etihad was designed, there was an eye on future expansion.

However given the furore over Hillsborough and other disasters I cannot see any more being allowed in although thuscurrently happens in Germany. The rail seats are individual not continuous like crash barriers.

The whole idea behind all seater stadia is to prevent concentrations of supporters at particular points. This was the issue with the Hillsborough disaster rather than the total numbers in the stadium.

I would assume that with rail seating you will have a number on your ticket which states where you are entitled to stand. I doubt if it will involve free standing.

 

[Centurions]

It depends on how much redundancy was built into the initial design. I suspect that when the Etihad was designed, there was an eye on future expansion.

However given the furore over Hillsborough and other disasters I cannot see any more being allowed in although thuscurrently happens in Germany. The rail seats are individual not continuous like crash barriers.

The whole idea behind all seater stadia is to prevent concentrations of supporters at particular points. This was the issue with the Hillsborough disaster rather than the total numbers in the stadium.

I would assume that with rail seating you will have a number on your ticket which states where you are entitled to stand. I doubt if it will involve free standing.

I would be surprised if all new stadia builds aren't designed with redundancy at least built in, even if not with an eye on future expansion.

There's a typo in your post but I think you're saying that having more than 1 person per seat when in the raised position is used in Germany? I can't see why you then think it wouldn't be possible (infrastructure allowing) in the UK (again, legalities allowing).

Dortmund for instance has:-

"a league capacity of 81,365 (standing and seated) and an international capacity of 65,829 (seated only)"

Westfalenstadion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They obviously have solved the (very) minor issue of ticket numbering.

 

[Centurions]

I would imagine there is enough leeway, we have more than the level one capacity at ground level for concerts when you consider the standing tickets which use the same exits?

Good point, 60,000 with ¾ (at best) spread over the three tiers with the rest on the pitch for the Oasis concert.

 

[JGL07]

Good point, 60,000 with ¾ (at best) spread over the three tiers with the rest on the pitch for the Oasis concert.

Dream on. Don’t expect large numbers to be standing in the next few years. Safe standing has been talked about for ages but has yet to happen in England. It will come slowly with small sections as a trial at the same density as for seating. Once that has been evaluated it will be expanded assuming nothing goes wrong.

 

[Centurions]

Dream on. Don’t expect large numbers to be standing in the next few years. Safe standing has been talked about for ages but has yet to happen in England. It will come slowly with small sections as a trial at the same density as for seating. Once that has been evaluated it will be expanded assuming nothing goes wrong.

Next season? No, the next few years though, maybe.

 

[HelloCity]

A single tier stand would be amazing for us.

They could call it ‘The Kippax Wall’.

 

[Gordyola]

It depends on how much redundancy was built into the initial design. I suspect that when the Etihad was designed, there was an eye on future expansion.

However given the furore over Hillsborough and other disasters I cannot see any more being allowed in although thuscurrently happens in Germany. The rail seats are individual not continuous like crash barriers.

The whole idea behind all seater stadia is to prevent concentrations of supporters at particular points. This was the issue with the Hillsborough disaster rather than the total numbers in the stadium.

I would assume that with rail seating you will have a number on your ticket which states where you are entitled to stand. I doubt if it will involve free standing.

Although a brilliant design the stadium was not designed with an eye to expansion the roof makes it very difficult
The idea of the rail seats is that you are allocated a seat you can choose to stand or sit depending upon ground regulations thus controlling the number of people in an area
I believe one of the origins of rail seats is that UEFA wouldn't allow standing accommodation for their competitions so to get around it clubs installed rail seating ad locked the seats down IIRC