Suella Braverman - sacked as Home Secretary (p394)

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Someone pointed out the other day that the likes of Poland send illegal immigrants home.

Poland is in the ECHR too. I am convinced that the ECHR is just the current excuse for government idleness and incompetence, like the EU used to be.

The Tories have long used 'excuse targets' on which thick voters can focus their ire. The ECHR and RNLI are two such. It's a diversion. They are currently using 'the unions' in a similar way.

They only get away with this because the average voter is as thick as two short planks, and thinks Putin is 'left-wing' and not the nutty, racist nationalist he actually is.

I despair of this country and of democracy - so-called.
 
BrianW said:
Someone pointed out the other day that the likes of Poland send illegal immigrants home.

Poland is in the ECHR too. I am convinced that the ECHR is just the current excuse for government idleness and incompetence, like the EU used to be.

The Tories have long used 'excuse targets' on which thick voters can focus their ire. The ECHR and RNLI are two such. It's a diversion. They are currently using 'the unions' in a similar way.

They only get away with this because the average voter is as thick as two short planks, and thinks Putin is 'left-wing' and not the nutty, racist nationalist he actually is.

I despair of this country and of democracy - so-called.
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Is the RNLI in the frame again?

Time for another donation...
 
bluethrunthru said:
The Tories retain a 70 odd seat majority...... but Labour defeated it ?

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69-188 was the vote.
67 of the Ayes were Conservative, one a whipless Conservative.
4 Conservatives voted against.

The govt reportedly whipped against it, so most just didn't vote. It was only a 10-minute bill and immediately after the Braverman piece.
I quoted the first paragraphs in the govt thread. The idea that a 10-minute bill would cover the concept of being able to override ECHR judges is laughable.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
69-188 was the vote.
67 of the Ayes were Conservative, one a whipless Conservative.
4 Conservatives voted against.

The govt reportedly whipped against it, so most just didn't vote. It was only a 10-minute bill and immediately after the Braverman piece.
I quoted the first paragraphs in the govt thread. The idea that a 10-minute bill would cover the concept of being able to override ECHR judges is laughable.
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So it wasn't Labour then
 
MillionMilesAway said:
69-188 was the vote.
67 of the Ayes were Conservative, one a whipless Conservative.
4 Conservatives voted against.

The govt reportedly whipped against it, so most just didn't vote. It was only a 10-minute bill and immediately after the Braverman piece.
I quoted the first paragraphs in the govt thread. The idea that a 10-minute bill would cover the concept of being able to override ECHR judges is laughable.
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So, the government didn’t get their way? Or, did they?
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
So, the government didn’t get their way? Or, did they?
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Closer to the latter.

It wasn't a govt bill - it was a member's bill.
The govt whipped against it reportedly.
The proposal failed.

So 67 Conservative MPs voted for something that failed, and that the govt didn't want to pass.
The only non-Conservative (or ex-Conservative) who voted for was a DUP MP.
 
I still don't understand what has happened here.

On Tuesday Sunak unveils his 5-point plan and says: "we will introduce new legislation to make it unambiguously clear that if you enter the UK illegally, you should not be able to remain here."

A day after, one of his MPs tries to pass a Bill to ensure "....parliament, not unaccountable foreign judges in Europe, have the final say”.

And then Number Ten opposes it and most Tory MPs abstain & the Bill fails at the first stage.

So whatever new legislation Sunak and the Conservatives try to bring in in 2023, it ain't worth the paper it is written on because it can still be overruled by Europe (and it will be) it is crazy politics, it's as if he wants to lose the next G.E.
 
She was getting lot of abuse on Twitter recently along with Truss and Rowling. But apparently that was ok because it was Lefties dishing it out.
 
Thornliebank said:
She was getting lot of abuse on Twitter recently along with Truss and Rowling. But apparently that was ok because it was Lefties dishing it out.
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She deserves abuse for the level of incompetence and approach to the migrant crisis by the department which she oversees. Outstanding cases in their thousands due to insufficient numbers being allocated to processing claims. Money being wasted in billions by using Rwanda , to which not one person has been sent .

But according to twats like you, she and her ERG bossses , she is not to blame.
 
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Thornliebank said:
She was getting lot of abuse on Twitter recently along with Truss and Rowling. But apparently that was ok because it was Lefties dishing it out.
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It’s almost like if you do bad things people will feel some type of way about it. I’m sure you feel bad that bullies aren’t invited for a cup of tea.
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
She deserves abuse for the level of incompetence and approach to the migrant crisis by the department which she oversees. Outstanding cases in their thousands due to insufficient numbers being allocated to processing claims. Money being wasted in billions by using Rwanda , to which not one person has been sent .

But according to twats like you, she and her ERG bossses , she is not to blame.
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It’s such a strange take only sad tories could think that way.

I'd be pretty happy to Sunak and Braverman hung from the neck until dead by their own racist lynch mobs. Two vile people who only make this country worse for the sake of their own ego and vanity.
 
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