VAR thread 2022/23

[Blackley_Blue]

What's the difference in accomodating Goal Line Technology cameras Vs VAR cameras?

Does anyone know? There's probably a genuine answer, I'm just curious?

 

[Paladin]

Not sure that is correct. Every training course I have been on we used to get told never to play advantage on a penalty or red card offence. I have seen a game recently in Germany (I think) where a team scored & it was chalked off & a penalty awarded. Penalty was subsequently missed.

It was a common sense approach rather than a practical one. Seems ludicrous, the scenario you described. Nothing wrong with a long advantage played in these situations.

 

[Paladin]

As bad as the ref standing 5 yards away from Cresswell getting hit in the face by the ball and the ref awarding a penalty - I can’t bring myself to call them bent cunts for terrible decisions - but I’m glad VAR can make them look total fools at times

I'm going back to this as it was posted during yesterday's game, and may have been overlooked.

Wolves' disallowed goal was because there was no camera evidence to overturn the on field decision. Well this is a blatant lie. The on field decision was not an offside. The Assistant Referee did not call the offside until Andy Madley told him to raise his flag - you can see this in the linked clip.

I'm reluctant to accept corruption in the game, but what other explanation can there be for the Wolves disallowed goal, other than Andy Madley is bent, and possibly colluding with other unseen officials like VAR, Mike Dean.

The picture below is a still from the clip that shows when Wolves score, Madley walks towards his Assistant Referee, then indicates something to him with an arm gesture. After this, the flag is raised. There was no offside flag until Madley asked for it. And look at his position. He was in no way better placed than the Assistant Referee to call offside in that situation.

Whilst these things are allowed to happen, totally unchallenged by the media, it is very hard to have confidence in the officiating.

 

[stonerblue]

What's the difference in accomodating Goal Line Technology cameras Vs VAR cameras?

Does anyone know? There's probably a genuine answer, I'm just curious?

because goal line tech isn't a camera

 

[Blue Mist]

because goal line tech isn't a camera

I think it is, mainly because there was that one instance, forget who but a team in relegation trouble scored. The ball was clearly over the line but, because the refs watch didn't bleep, he refused to give it. After the match they stated the goalkeeper was blocking the camera from seeing it.

 

[MillisleBlue]

I'm going back to this as it was posted during yesterday's game, and may have been overlooked.

Wolves' disallowed goal was because there was no camera evidence to overturn the on field decision. Well this is a blatant lie. The on field decision was not an offside. The Assistant Referee did not call the offside until Andy Madley told him to raise his flag - you can see this in the linked clip.

I'm reluctant to accept corruption in the game, but what other explanation can there be for the Wolves disallowed goal, other than Andy Madley is bent, and possibly colluding with other unseen officials like VAR, Mike Dean.

The picture below is a still from the clip that shows when Wolves score, Madley walks towards his Assistant Referee, then indicates something to him with an arm gesture. After this, the flag is raised. There was no offside flag until Madley asked for it. And look at his position. He was in no way better placed than the Assistant Referee to call offside in that situation.

Whilst these things are allowed to happen, totally unchallenged by the media, it is very hard to have confidence in the officiating.

The sheer desperation of having to keep one of their global cash-cows in the FA Cup.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I'm going back to this as it was posted during yesterday's game, and may have been overlooked.

Wolves' disallowed goal was because there was no camera evidence to overturn the on field decision. Well this is a blatant lie. The on field decision was not an offside. The Assistant Referee did not call the offside until Andy Madley told him to raise his flag - you can see this in the linked clip.

I'm reluctant to accept corruption in the game, but what other explanation can there be for the Wolves disallowed goal, other than Andy Madley is bent, and possibly colluding with other unseen officials like VAR, Mike Dean.

The picture below is a still from the clip that shows when Wolves score, Madley walks towards his Assistant Referee, then indicates something to him with an arm gesture. After this, the flag is raised. There was no offside flag until Madley asked for it. And look at his position. He was in no way better placed than the Assistant Referee to call offside in that situation.

Whilst these things are allowed to happen, totally unchallenged by the media, it is very hard to have confidence in the officiating.

We are told that ALL goals are checked by VAR anyway, so why did Madley feel the need to indicate to the lino to raise his flag?

Perhaps because he ALREADY knew about the VAR blind spot, and therefore VAR were powerless to overturn the on-field decision...

 

[Blackley_Blue]

because goal line tech isn't a camera

I though it was, multiple cameras from multiple different angles?

I might be wrong like?

 

[Paladin]

We are told that ALL goals are checked by VAR anyway, so why did Madley feel the need to indicate to the lino to raise his flag?

Perhaps because he ALREADY knew about the VAR blind spot, and therefore VAR were powerless to overturn the on-field decision...

100% this, and I'm sure this happens in other games. Make the on field decision the favourable outcome, then stick with that decision if VAR isn't conclusive.

The fact remains, the Wolves corner taker wasn't active following the first header, which was headed upwards from near the six yard line. So although in an offside position, not offside. He was in an onside position when the second header was made. So there was no offside, which was the linesman's decision until Madley told him to raise his flag.

Wolves especially, but football in general should be asking for this to be explained. Instead, everyone just turns a blind eye, reluctant to bite the hand that feeds them.

 

[Stephen230]

I'm going back to this as it was posted during yesterday's game, and may have been overlooked.

Wolves' disallowed goal was because there was no camera evidence to overturn the on field decision. Well this is a blatant lie. The on field decision was not an offside. The Assistant Referee did not call the offside until Andy Madley told him to raise his flag - you can see this in the linked clip.

I'm reluctant to accept corruption in the game, but what other explanation can there be for the Wolves disallowed goal, other than Andy Madley is bent, and possibly colluding with other unseen officials like VAR, Mike Dean.

The picture below is a still from the clip that shows when Wolves score, Madley walks towards his Assistant Referee, then indicates something to him with an arm gesture. After this, the flag is raised. There was no offside flag until Madley asked for it. And look at his position. He was in no way better placed than the Assistant Referee to call offside in that situation.

Whilst these things are allowed to happen, totally unchallenged by the media, it is very hard to have confidence in the officiating.

I keep seeing this clip as proof of something dodgy but the linesman isn’t even in it. Some other guy accused me of deliberately ignoring the full clip that apparently clearly shows the linesman running back to the half way line until the referee orders him to stop and stick his flag up. Do we know where this full clip is available to view out of interest?

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I keep seeing this clip as proof of something dodgy but the linesman isn’t even in it. Some other guy accused me of deliberately ignoring the full clip that apparently clearly shows the linesman running back to the half way line until the referee orders him to stop and stick his flag up. Do we know where this full clip is available to view out of interest?

The highlights are on iPlayer.

You can CLEARLY see the referee delay in signalling to the lino. Does someone whisper something in his ear?

 

[Stephen230]

Does anyone know who owns, installs and maintains the VAR cameras? Is it the clubs, pigmol or someone else? If there are blindspots at grounds then who's job is it to rectify those and who is making that decision? If you can't have a full var experience at every league game the whole thing should be scrapped

I was at the game yesterday and the unknown VAR check doesn't really bother me that much as you get a chance to stand up, sing a song at the ref, and ask your mates what the hell is going on. It's part of the theatre for me. Better communication after the game would be welcome however.

I don’t know who sets the cameras up for VAR use but I imagine it would be connected to whoever maintains the other VAR equipment. The problem at Anfield wasn’t a blind spot but that the camera(s) that captured the incident hadn’t been calibrated for VAR use. This image is from what they call the high tactical camera, which isn’t calibrated for VAR use.

Why there wasn’t a better placed camera that was calibrated I’ve no idea. Whether it’s an Anfield issue or ITV or whoever they contract out the camera work to?

What hasn’t been mentioned by the conspiracy brigade is that the only other time I’m aware of this problem happening is when an Arsenal goal stood against Liverpool earlier in the season at The Emirates because no camera that captured Saka out near the touchline was calibrated for VAR use.

When they eventually bring in semi automated offside technology, where every player is tracked, it’ll remove this issue.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I don’t know who sets the cameras up for VAR use but I imagine it would be connected to whoever maintains the other VAR equipment. The problem at Anfield wasn’t a blind spot but that the camera(s) that captured the incident hadn’t been calibrated for VAR use. This image is from what they call the high tactical camera, which isn’t calibrated for VAR use.

Why there wasn’t a better placed camera that was calibrated I’ve no idea. Whether it’s an Anfield issue or ITV or whoever they contract out the camera work to?

What hasn’t been mentioned by the conspiracy brigade is that the only other time I’m aware of this problem happening is when an Arsenal goal stood against Liverpool earlier in the season at The Emirates because no camera that captured Saka out near the touchline was calibrated for VAR use.

When they eventually bring in semi automated offside technology, where every player is tracked, it’ll remove this issue.

Remember when Salah appeared offside against us at Anfield, and the VAR 'check' took all of three seconds, and then they only showed us the lines at half-time minus the frame of reference for when the ball was actually played?

 

[stonerblue]

I though it was, multiple cameras from multiple different angles?

I might be wrong like?

I'm going for in-ball sensor but could also be wrong.

 

[Stephen230]

Remember when Salah appeared offside against us at Anfield, and the VAR 'check' took all of three seconds, and then they only showed us the lines at half-time minus the frame of reference for when the ball was actually played?

It rings a bell but not sure of its relevance to cameras not being calibrated for VAR use?

You’ll certainly get no complaints from me that the fans, both in the ground, and watching on TV should be communicated to better regarding the whole VAR process.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

It rings a bell but not sure of its relevance to cameras not being calibrated for VAR use?

You’ll certainly get no complaints from me that the fans, both in the ground, and watching on TV should be communicated to better regarding the whole VAR process.

It's more evidence to the fact that the VAR setup at Anfield is not up to scratch, and therefor wide open to corruption.

 

[SWP's back]

I'm going back to this as it was posted during yesterday's game, and may have been overlooked.

Wolves' disallowed goal was because there was no camera evidence to overturn the on field decision. Well this is a blatant lie. The on field decision was not an offside. The Assistant Referee did not call the offside until Andy Madley told him to raise his flag - you can see this in the linked clip.

I'm reluctant to accept corruption in the game, but what other explanation can there be for the Wolves disallowed goal, other than Andy Madley is bent, and possibly colluding with other unseen officials like VAR, Mike Dean.

The picture below is a still from the clip that shows when Wolves score, Madley walks towards his Assistant Referee, then indicates something to him with an arm gesture. After this, the flag is raised. There was no offside flag until Madley asked for it. And look at his position. He was in no way better placed than the Assistant Referee to call offside in that situation.

Whilst these things are allowed to happen, totally unchallenged by the media, it is very hard to have confidence in the officiating.

Great post and I’d be furious if I was a Wolves fan. As it is, Liverpool get another match that they could do without.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

We are told that ALL goals are checked by VAR anyway, so why did Madley feel the need to indicate to the lino to raise his flag?

Perhaps because he ALREADY knew about the VAR blind spot, and therefore VAR were powerless to overturn the on-field decision...

Yes that must be the correct explanation :)

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Great post and I’d be furious if I was a Wolves fan. As it is, Liverpool get another match that they could do without.

Silver lining I suppose.

 

[Paladin]

I keep seeing this clip as proof of something dodgy but the linesman isn’t even in it. Some other guy accused me of deliberately ignoring the full clip that apparently clearly shows the linesman running back to the half way line until the referee orders him to stop and stick his flag up. Do we know where this full clip is available to view out of interest?

Yeah, I heard about the linesman clip too. I've been looking for that.



Around the 6:31 you can see Madley walk towards the linesman, makes a gesture and he is obviously telling him something - it must be to raise his flag. You can see the linesman's feet and flag pointing down, and if anything, he makes towards the half way line before going out of picture. His posture certainly isn't indicative of an imminent offside flag. This is two seconds after the goal, and it's obvious to me he had no intention of giving offside at that point.