Ref Watch

I've just watched it loads of times. Unbelievably bad decision. I can't stress enough how utterly poor this decision was.

Firstly, the linesman was correct to flag offside after the ball went in. (Cue vociferous complaining by Fernandez and Rashford, telling the linesman that Rashford didn't touch the ball).

The linesman then calms the United players down. I wonder what he told them. Maybe something like "Don't panic, the goal will stand". Obviously we don't know, but Fernandez's reaction to this brief encounter suggests he knew the goal would stand. Attwell and linesman then have a conversation, and goal is given.

Questions:

1. What did the linesman say to Attwell?

2. What did the VAR say, if anything? Why didn't he intervene and correct this abomination of a decision?

3. Why on earth, didn't the VAR recommend Attwell checks the monitor?

4. Why didn't Attwell ask to see the incident on the monitor to inform his own decision?

This is gross misconduct by all three of them. It should result in disciplinary action. You just know the whole refereeing establishment will close ranks though. Maybe we'll get an acknowledgement and apology.

This has to be a real low point in the already checkered history of VAR. You have to ask yourself if three officials all reaching the same wrong decision is a coincidence, or is it bent?
 
simon23 said:
The part where the rules imply it has to be physcailly impeding someone...which Rashford doesnt.

I agree his actions impact on the goal but the rules say that he has to physicaly impact on players - which he doesnt ...
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He is physically chasing after the ball
 
Pretty sure on numerous occasions this season I've seen a player move towards the ball from an offside position and its flagged.
 
bluesince76 said:
Apart from it would have been a foul and therefore probably a red, as the foul would have occurred before the offside.
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You can’t have it both ways. If Akanji dove in to play the ball and caught Rashford, he’d be blocked from playing the ball by an offside player, so no foul

This doesn’t stop a shite ref from bottling it at the swamp, mind you, but what does anymore?
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Rashford PREVENTED Akanji from challenging for the ball, and DUMMIED THE BALL and in doing so 100% affected the outcome of the play - AKA INTERFERED with play from an OFFSIDE position (about 3yds offside).
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Im not debating whether Rashford was in an offside position - he was

Rashord made no physical contact with Akanji so didnt preent him from challenging for the ball thats the interpritation the refs are making.....the dummy makes no physical difference to anything Akanjo can and cannot do - he is still able to challenge....If rashford contacts Akanjo, stands in front of him and blocks his run , holds him back then the goal is disallowed......he didnt do any of those things
 
Paladin said:
I've just watched it loads of times. Unbelievably bad decision. I can't stress enough how utterly poor this decision was.

Firstly, the linesman was correct to flag offside after the ball went in. (Cue vociferous complaining by Fernandez and Rashford, telling the linesman that Rashford didn't touch the ball).

The linesman then calms the United players down. I wonder what he told them. Maybe something like "Don't panic, the goal will stand". Obviously we don't know, but Fernandez's reaction to this brief encounter suggests he knew the goal would stand. Attwell and linesman then have a conversation, and goal is given.

Questions:

1. What did the linesman say to Attwell?

2. What did the VAR say, if anything? Why didn't he intervene and correct this abomination of a decision?

3. Why on earth, didn't the VAR recommend Attwell checks the monitor?

4. Why didn't Attwell ask to see the incident on the monitor to inform his own decision?

This is gross misconduct by all three of them. It should result in disciplinary action. You just know the whole refereeing establishment will close ranks though. Maybe we'll get an acknowledgement and apology.

This has to be a real low point in the already checkered history of VAR. You have to ask yourself if three officials all reaching the same wrong decision is a coincidence, or is it bent?
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You know the drill - Peter 'the ****' Walton and Despot Dermot will be wheeled out to tell us all why it was the 'correct' decision. And despite us being told they are nothing to do with the PGMOL, they sure do back up a lot of their demonstrably incorrect calls. The only ones they do call out are the ones that have no bearing on the result of the game.
 
BLUEisville said:
You can’t have it both ways. If Akanji dove in to play the ball and caught Rashford, he’d be blocked from playing the ball by an offside player, so no foul

This doesn’t stop a shite ref from bottling it at the swamp, mind you, but what does anymore?
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I posted this earlier, the whole law is mad but especially this bit. An offside player blocking you is offside, but an offside player you foul is fouled. How do you decide which is the reality?
 
simon23 said:
Im not debating whether Rashford was in an offside position - he was

Rashord made no physical contact with Akanji so didnt preent him from challenging for the ball thats the interpritation the refs are making.....the dummy makes no physical difference to anything Akanjo can and cannot do - he is still able to challenge....If rashford contacts Akanjo, stands in front of him and blocks his run , holds him back then the goal is disallowed......he didnt do any of those things
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He doesnt need to make physical contact or touch the ball. Ive already told you that and sent you a link to the law. Instead of continuing to make a show of yourself, maybe go and read it.
 
The worst part is that I don't think they are even doing this for monetary gain. What I see is a very small group of men who are so insular and cult like they are just backing each other up at every turn.

Attwell didnt conspire before the game for there to be an offside decision for him to make to award a goal. However what happened is that he clearly wanted to give it, so they all spoke on their mics and agreed to give it.

Why wont they all agree to having the communication recorded and broadcast? They do in most other elite sports, why not the biggest of them all?
 
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