Corruption in English football?

SidJames said:
I bet the Bookies are not happy.

I know a lot of people,including Blues, who fancied the Rags to beat our under performing City side today and lumped on them at over 3/1.

They were decent odds considering how shit we have been playing recently.

Fact is though you take away that overtly blatant corrupt first Rag goal it finishes 1-1.

Who knows maybe Oliver family/friends lumped on the Rags at 3/1

Those odds make corruption tempting for all bent bastards in the FA.
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Absolutely no way of predicting that.
 
SidJames said:
I bet the Bookies are not happy.

I know a lot of people,including Blues, who fancied the Rags to beat our under performing City side today and lumped on them at over 3/1.

They were decent odds considering how shit we have been playing recently.

Fact is though you take away that overtly blatant corrupt first Rag goal it finishes 1-1.

Who knows maybe Oliver family/friends lumped on the Rags at 3/1

Those odds make corruption tempting for all bent bastards in the FA.
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I got 16/5 for a United win, only got £32 but a bet loads of bookies lost loads of money today.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
But what have they got to gain by Brentford going above Liverpool in the table?

Surely - as so many on here have been saying for so long that Liverpool are favoured by corruption - the opposite would have happened in that penalty situation in the first half?
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This is a fair rebuttal, and comes up from time to time.

I always answer it with a reference to the financial fraud tactics used to cook books (because that is an element of my professional expertise): you fudge in the margins, overtime, where it is the most difficult to both discover and prove, and the most impactful for the desired outcome.

That is to say, you have to be clever with selection and know when one means of manipulation is not functionally available due do outside constraints/factors. You also have to do your best to avoid creating an easily discerned pattern (by that, I mean for the entities that actually have power to investigate and enforce consequences, not for powerless laymen like football fans being suspicious).

In the case of Liverpool this season, they are abjectively bad and it is abnormally difficult to aid them in most (but not all) matches.

In contrast, United are on quite a hot streak as of late, and so are much easier to help along. Same for Arsenal up until recently.

Even better, we’ve have been mediocre this season, which makes it that much easier to tip the scales on the occasion it might lead to a desirable outcome.

It’s also important to note that manipulation of the sort I am personally claiming is likely occurring is not “all or nothing, all the time”. Sometimes there are no opportunities to give a little nudge one way or another. Sometimes you don’t try at all and just let things play out on their own because you don’t really care about that particularly outcome. And some times the attempts to manipulate are unsuccessful. That is also the case with other types of corruption and manipulation.

I think some believe many of us are claiming that there is an all encompassing, ever-present, all-knowing, omnipotent master planner that is carefully orchestrating the outcomes of all league matches. And that is very much not the case.

But we have plenty of examples of manipulation of sport events to attain certain ultimate outcomes in the past (both in England and elsewhere, including in top tier football) to show us not only how it can be done but that it can be successful.

And, furthermore, the most successful schemes tend to come from governing bodies themselves for fairly obvious reasons.
 
SebastianBlue said:
This is a fair rebuttal, and comes up from time to time.

I always answer it with a reference to the financial fraud tactics used to cook books (because that is an element of my professional expertise): you fudge in the margins, overtime, where it is the most difficult to both discover and prove, and the most impactful for the desired outcome.

That is to say, you have to be clever with selection and know when one means of manipulation is not functionally available due do outside constraints/factors. You also have to do your best to avoid creating an easily discerned pattern (by that, I mean for the entities that actually have power to investigate and enforce consequences, not for powerless laymen like football fans being suspicious).

In the case of Liverpool this season, they are abjectively bad and it is abnormally difficult to aid them in most (but not all) matches.

In contrast, United are on quite a hot streak as of late, and so are much easier to help along. Same for Arsenal up until recently.

Even better, we’ve have been mediocre this season, which makes it that much easier to tip the scales on the occasion it might lead to a desirable outcome.

It’s also important to note that manipulation of the sort I am personally claiming is likely occurring is not “all or nothing, all the time”. Sometimes there are no opportunities to give a little nudge one way or another. Sometimes you don’t try at all and just let things play out on their own because you don’t really care about that particularly outcome. And some times the attempts to manipulate are unsuccessful. That is also the case with other types of corruption and manipulation.

I think some believe many of us are claiming that there is an all encompassing, ever-present, all-knowing, omnipotent master planner that is carefully orchestrating the outcomes of all league matches. And that is very much not the case.

But we have plenty of examples of manipulation of sport events to attain certain ultimate outcomes in the past (both in England and elsewhere, including in top tier football) to show us not only how it can be done but that it can be successful.

And, furthermore, the most successful schemes tend to come from governing bodies themselves for fairly obvious reasons.
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A much more succinct and detailed answer than my 'because it makes it TOO BLEEDING OBVIOUS' reply. ;-)
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
A much more succinct and detailed answer than my 'because it makes it TOO BLEEDING OBVIOUS' reply. ;-)
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In my family if you used 10 words when you could have used 50, you were being a lazy bastard. ;-)

Plus, I’ve put a lot of work in to being about to type well on this new system so might as well use it!
 
give it to gordon said:
If Rashford stops straight away with his arms up then the game continues. The fact that he ran for about 10 yards behind it means he is off side.
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If you listen to Rashford’s post match interview you’d have the impression he did immediately stop his run as soon as he knew he was offside and was nowhere near the ball when Fernandes took his shot.

Orwell would be both proud and disgusted.
 
SebastianBlue said:
If you listen to Rashford’s post match interview you’d have the impression he did immediately stop his run as soon as he knew he was offside and was nowhere near the ball when Fernandes took his shot.

Orwell would be both proud and disgusted.
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Perhaps Rashford shouldnt do post match interview until his PR have written it. He is clearly a liar
 
SebastianBlue said:
If you listen to Rashford’s post match interview you’d have the impression he did immediately stop his run as soon as he knew he was offside and was nowhere near the ball when Fernandes took his shot.

Orwell would be both proud and disgusted.
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Like all rags they lying cheating kunts
 
J.G.Blue. said:
I always though officials were just shit & not bent but after watching that first goal for the rags, I am begining to wonder could they really be that shit?
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you need VAR to look at a confused Ref making a complete dogs dinner of a decision, they should step in and tell him to give the same decision he has done the last 99 times that same scenario has arisen whilst he has been a Ref. He shat the bed and gave a horrendously wrong and bad decision
 
eyalluvitt said:
you need VAR to look at a confused Ref making a complete dogs dinner of a decision, they should step in and tell him to give the same decision he has done the last 99 times that same scenario has arisen whilst he has been a Ref. He shat the bed and gave a horrendously wrong and bad decision
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Are you certain they JUST made a terrible error?

I agree that in some cases, maybe the majority of cases that is exactly what has happened, just a stupid mistake.

However, if you are then conditioned into them making mistakes you miss the times they pull the slight of hand trick and make a pretty obviously BENT decision look like a legitimate mistake.

There is no PLAUSIBLE reason one of the refereeing team couldn't have called a halt to that charade yesterday and said 'stop fucking about, he was CLEARLY interfering with play. Call it offside'. Not a single one of them did, or if they did it was overruled. That is VERY telling.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
I got 16/5 for a United win, only got £32 but a bet loads of bookies lost loads of money today.
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I was tempted.

I never have any luck backing in games with the rags involved....ever.

The other season rags cost me nearly a grand on an ACA loosing at home to Spurs.Of all the games it was the one that looked most nailed on for the win.They fucked it up.

I am contemplating an insurance bet on Spurs for Thursday at 15/2

Have not decided yet.

If Laporte plays i will fancy him for a double..... Goal for us and Spurs :-)
 
SidJames said:
I bet the Bookies are not happy.

I know a lot of people,including Blues, who fancied the Rags to beat our under performing City side today and lumped on them at over 3/1.

They were decent odds considering how shit we have been playing recently.

Fact is though you take away that overtly blatant corrupt first Rag goal it finishes 1-1.

Who knows maybe Oliver family/friends lumped on the Rags at 3/1

Those odds make corruption tempting for all bent bastards in the FA.
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Fact is we're in control of the game at that point - we conceed the goal and lose plot. That "goal' is ruled out we win as they're still chasing it
 
When are our owners goin to use their money to dig deep into the bullshit against us, I really wish Pep or any of the players would go nuts on TV and call out this shit, the club will just pay the fine anyway.
The pisscan went ballistic when they lost a throwin let alone a game.
Chelski come out with comments about referees that they don’t want at there ground again when it happens to them, but we continue just takin it up the backdoor.
 
HypnoticBlue said:
When are our owners goin to use their money to dig deep into the bullshit against us, I really wish Pep or any of the players would go nuts on TV and call out this shit, the club will just pay the fine anyway.
The pisscan went ballistic when they lost a throwin let alone a game.
Chelski come out with comments about referees that they don’t want at there ground again when it happens to them, but we continue just takin it up the backdoor.
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The problem for ALL clubs is that if the lid ever properly comes off the corruption that has been going on in the game for YEARS, it's essentially all over.

The BEST they can hope for is to root it out from within, and bury it and hope it never comes out.
 
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