Bury Thread

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Stephen230 said:
Not sure what ‘an entertainment hall’ is exactly legally. But I’m pretty certain that nobody can show live football on a TV in the UK at 3pm Saturday, unless they have specific permission from the football authorities.
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And they will have it.
 
LongsightM13 said:
Correct. This isn’t a holiday resort
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No difference legally. Bury FC aren’t operating as a football club. AFC Bury are, but they’re not the ones putting on events
 
Reading the comments section on that Bury Times article will give you an indication of how toxic things are, I mean to me it does look like AFC just want to take over rather than merge and the main problem from the Bury Supporters are with the guy who runs the AFC, would he step down if it was for the best? I doubt it
 
Having read the BT comments on several occasions, my prediction is that AFC Bury will continue to play at Radcliffe or some other random place in the Bury MBC area. Meanwhile, Gigg Lane will gradually fall into such disrepair it will have to be demolished. Travellers will camp on the site, and local residents will demand it is redeveloped as posh houses to save building on the Green Belt.

I hope to be proved wrong.
 
BrianW said:
Having read the BT comments on several occasions, my prediction is that AFC Bury will continue to play at Radcliffe or some other random place in the Bury MBC area. Meanwhile, Gigg Lane will gradually fall into such disrepair it will have to be demolished. Travellers will camp on the site, and local residents will demand it is redeveloped as posh houses to save building on the Green Belt.

I hope to be proved wrong.
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Sadly you are 100% correct. If only those who are a barrier to reconciliation could see it and either do something positive or stand aside.
 
Dogtanian said:
Reading the comments section on that Bury Times article will give you an indication of how toxic things are, I mean to me it does look like AFC just want to take over rather than merge and the main problem from the Bury Supporters are with the guy who runs the AFC, would he step down if it was for the best? I doubt it
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How would a merger with an inactive team look different from a takeover of an inactive team?

Is the sticking point the makeup of the board?
 
paska said:
How would a merger with an inactive team look different from a takeover of an inactive team?

Is the sticking point the makeup of the board?
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A lot of bitterness stems from setting the club up whilst the old club was still alive, it was fucked and needed a silly amount of money but was still alive, since then both sets of supporters have goaded each other over social media, i think at one point there was a brawl in one pub, the guy who runs Afc is despised by the other lot as i suppose they blame him mostly for setting the club up, like i have said in the past i have about 12 mates who watch Bury, they have all known each other since primary school, 2 now watch Afc and the others no longer talk to them, its shit and toxic and all because one **** decided he wanted to gamble with the clubs future to take a team with a 3k average gate to the championship so he could be billy big bollocks
 
Dogtanian said:
A lot of bitterness stems from setting the club up whilst the old club was still alive, it was fucked and needed a silly amount of money but was still alive, since then both sets of supporters have goaded each other over social media, i think at one point there was a brawl in one pub, the guy who runs Afc is despised by the other lot as i suppose they blame him mostly for setting the club up, like i have said in the past i have about 12 mates who watch Bury, they have all known each other since primary school, 2 now watch Afc and the others no longer talk to them, its shit and toxic and all because one **** decided he wanted to gamble with the clubs future to take a team with a 3k average gate to the championship so he could be billy big bollocks
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I understand all that, which is an awful situation and really beggars belief considering these are two groups united by their love for the defunct local team, which wasn’t sank by either of them but rather by dodgy and incompetent investors.

What I don’t understand is the position that Bury FC thinks that Bury AFC wants to take over rather than merge. That doesn’t make much sense. What distinction are BFC making that results in that conclusion? Either it’s a completely empty platitude designed to stoke the already hot flames, or if it isn’t, then it must be in some way related to the planned corporate structure right?

As for the gripe with there being an overlap, there does tend to be an overlap in these situations, but the club was already dormant by then which actually means AFC waited longer than most phoenix clubs before forming.

AFC should never been seen as a threat, that damage was already done. If a new club at level 10 of the pyramid is a threat to your league one side, you’ve got a huge problem, and it’s not with the new club. That’s seven divisions between the two.
 
paska said:
I understand all that, which is an awful situation and really beggars belief considering these are two groups united by their love for the defunct local team, which wasn’t sank by either of them but rather by dodgy and incompetent investors.

What I don’t understand is the position that Bury FC thinks that Bury AFC wants to take over rather than merge. That doesn’t make much sense. What distinction are BFC making that results in that conclusion? Either it’s a completely empty platitude designed to stoke the already hot flames, or if it isn’t, then it must be in some way related to the planned corporate structure right?

As for the gripe with there being an overlap, there does tend to be an overlap in these situations, but the club was already dormant by then which actually means AFC waited longer than most phoenix clubs before forming.

AFC should never been seen as a threat, that damage was already done. If a new club at level 10 of the pyramid is a threat to your league one side, you’ve got a huge problem, and it’s not with the new club. That’s seven divisions between the two.
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Oh AFC was set up after Bury got expelled not before so it wasn't a case of a league 1 club and a NW counties? It was a club without a league heavily in debt with a 4 million pound mortgage on the ground in the hands of a chancer who bought the club for a pound from the guy who ruined the club and was trying to get the supporters club to pay 1 million for him to sell it to them, whilst the supporters club was trying to get financial help and fund raise then the other guys set up AFC, I mean they say it's practical which it probably was and the other side are saying they have abandoned the club they are supposed to support, I can see both sides of the argument but what I can't see is a resolution and a way forward and that's all that matters
 
Dogtanian said:
Oh AFC was set up after Bury got expelled not before so it wasn't a case of a league 1 club and a NW counties? It was a club without a league heavily in debt with a 4 million pound mortgage on the ground in the hands of a chancer who bought the club for a pound from the guy who ruined the club and was trying to get the supporters club to pay 1 million for him to sell it to them, whilst the supporters club was trying to get financial help and fund raise then the other guys set up AFC, I mean they say it's practical which it probably was and the other side are saying they have abandoned the club they are supposed to support, I can see both sides of the argument but what I can't see is a resolution and a way forward and that's all that matters
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The resolution is that AFC Bury move into Gigg Lane and try to get back in the league. The AFC mob have set up a team and found a league while the BFC mob seem to have done bugger all other than referring to AFC as "The Fakers" rather than the Shakers. Oh fucking hilarious.
There's a team without a ground and a ground without a team. The solution is bloody obvious and those who run the North West Counties League should be banning anybody associated with either entity who is putting their own interests ahead of the interests of the club.
 
East Level 2 said:
The resolution is that AFC Bury move into Gigg Lane and try to get back in the league. The AFC mob have set up a team and found a league while the BFC mob seem to have done bugger all other than referring to AFC as "The Fakers" rather than the Shakers. Oh fucking hilarious.
There's a team without a ground and a ground without a team. The solution is bloody obvious and those who run the North West Counties League should be banning anybody associated with either entity who is putting their own interests ahead of the interests of the club.
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I mean that's a bit harsh they have raised quite a bit, secured Gigg lane and held a few charity games, yes the merge is perfect but the sides don't get along and they will be far too much Billy big balls to move aside for the benefit of things, it's a fucking disgrace and the FA are as much to blame for being shit with the fit and proper persons check, it seems they only do that if your owners are foreign and have a colour they don't like
 
Dogtanian said:
I mean that's a bit harsh they have raised quite a bit, secured Gigg lane and held a few charity games, yes the merge is perfect but the sides don't get along and they will be far too much Billy big balls to move aside for the benefit of things, it's a fucking disgrace and the FA are as much to blame for being shit with the fit and proper persons check, it seems they only do that if your owners are foreign and have a colour they don't like
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The fit and proper person test is only good if a prospective owner has committed some form of business offence prior to buying the club. In some cases they will allow people that fail the test to own clubs as the alternative is the club being declared bankrupt.
Once in place there is bugger all the FA or EFL can do if the owner then runs the club into the ground. Even if they commit an offence they can't be forced to sell the club unless a suitable buyer comes forward, and that was extremely unlikely given the state Bury were in.
As for foreign owners; the FA and PL only became concerned when we proved to be a threat to clubs that generate most TV revenue. That would have been the case whatever nationality our owners were.
 
Dogtanian said:
Oh AFC was set up after Bury got expelled not before so it wasn't a case of a league 1 club and a NW counties? It was a club without a league heavily in debt with a 4 million pound mortgage on the ground in the hands of a chancer who bought the club for a pound from the guy who ruined the club and was trying to get the supporters club to pay 1 million for him to sell it to them, whilst the supporters club was trying to get financial help and fund raise then the other guys set up AFC, I mean they say it's practical which it probably was and the other side are saying they have abandoned the club they are supposed to support, I can see both sides of the argument but what I can't see is a resolution and a way forward and that's all that matters
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I did acknowledge that, but that’s kinda the point as well. The damage was already done. They have no rightful reason to be irked about the establishment of AFCB.

It’s not AFCB’s fault anything that happened to BFC.
 
paska said:
I did acknowledge that, but that’s kinda the point as well. The damage was already done. They have no rightful reason to be irked about the establishment of AFCB.

It’s not AFCB’s fault anything that happened to BFC.
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That's the reason Moston Rag Socks fans don't get why they are disliked.
They align themselves with AFC Wimbledon when the formation of both clubs are poles apart. Bury, like Wimbledon had their club taken away from them.
Where as the Splitters formed out of spite and by opportunists who pulled in a few thousand gullible romantasists who foolishly parted with their cash that they'll never see again
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
That's the reason Moston Rag Socks fans don't get why they are disliked.
They align themselves with AFC Wimbledon when the formation of both clubs are poles apart. Bury, like Wimbledon had their club taken away from them.
Where as the Splitters formed out of spite and by opportunists who pulled in a few thousand gullible romantasists who foolishly parted with their cash that they'll never see again
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Who are Moston Rag Socks and who are the Splitters?

FCUOM?

Bury is a similar situation to Wimbledon. FCUOM is quite different
 
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