Nadim Zahawi

gordondaviesmoustache said:
My **** of an MP. Absolute wankstain.
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metalblue said:
Did he hide it and lie about it though? If he did I don’t see there being any plausible denial. I do agree if it’s not clear cut HMRC may well have said take the money but that only says it’s not clear cut.

He won’t release the details which will just leave people to make up their own minds. You think he evaded deliberately, I think he didn’t do it deliberately. We both think he’s a sly **** who I wouldn’t trust as far as I could throw him.
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How do you evade doing something, but not “deliberately”? “I managed to avoid it, but, guess what, it was all an accident”
 
It's a funny old world, be a normal Civil Servant eg DWP, do anything iffy and it's all about where you are, you should know better therefore, any offence is deemed much more serious than a member of the public & the book is thrown at you.

I didn't fall foul but I know good people who have had careers ruined for very little but, because of their position they've been hammered.

In politics, it seems the same processes/principles aren't followed. I'm certainly not shocked but, not just this guy there's a long list of politicians who use 'mistake & genuine error'....that isn't an option even for relatively minor miscellaneous stuff at ground level.

As a politician if you've fucked up big, out they should go.

£3m = Toast

No seat belt = fucking idiot who isn't fit for purpose.

Loans via contacts = Toast.

That's just this week!!!!
 
He’s a very wealthy man, he won’t feel the £4M bill. He’ll be gutted he’s been found out though and his knighthood is down the toilet. He’ll be sick about that, which is good news!
 
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Ric said:
Give over.
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As per the report I’ve read and been told to re-read. Perhaps others should


9 July 2022: I conclude that, when Zahawi established YouGov in 2000, he arranged for the founder shares that would have been his to go to Balshore. It paid nothing for the shares. The only plausible reason for this is tax avoidance. I check my conclusions carefully and speak to tax accountants, solicitors, QCs and retired HMRC inspectors, as well as entrepreneurs familiar with startup formation. I’m stunned by the unanimity of opinion: this stinks.

Show me where he was accused that he deliberately evaded tax in that report and I will withdraw my statement. I’ll wait.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Assuming it's the same matter, it was reported last year that on the same day that Zahawi was due share value from selling YouGov, a company was set up in Gibraltar headed by a family member with a capital value of exactly the same amount as he was due.

There was nothing accidental about it, but it may just have been something that was hard to prove for certain due to the way the laws work. Probably also that he didn't want the details in court and to be crossexamined, although past evidence suggests that he may have broken the record for use of 'er' in testimony.
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He tried to avoid paying tax. No one has said that was accidental, certainly not me. Neither is it illegal however annoying it is.

It’s an important distinction, avoid legal, evade prison. My own take is he tried to avoid but fucked up the process and ended up falling into evade. However his saving grace seems to be that evasion wasn’t deliberate - and that is important.
 
The point, amid the argument and legal jousting is this:

Why is Nadhim Zahawi's business based in Gibraltar and Jacob Rees-Mogg's registered in the Cayman Islands, while both tell the nation that essential services cannot be afforded?

This IS the bigger point and it is unacceptable for MP's to avoid tax.
 
oldius said:
The point, amid the argument and legal jousting is this:

Why is Nadhim Zahawi's business based in Gibraltar and Jacob Rees-Mogg's registered in the Cayman Islands, while both tell the nation that essential services cannot be afforded?

This IS the bigger point and it is unacceptable for MP's to avoid tax.
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100% agreed.
 
oldius said:
The point, amid the argument and legal jousting is this:

Why is Nadhim Zahawi's business based in Gibraltar and Jacob Rees-Mogg's registered in the Cayman Islands, while both tell the nation that essential services cannot be afforded?

This IS the bigger point and it is unacceptable for MP's to avoid tax.
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In a nutshell. Do as I say not as I do.

Any working man/woman, no matter how well or badly they have done for themselves voting for these cunts is an idiot.

I am getting on a bit now (65) and I am proud to say I have never and will never vote Conservative. See them for what they are and act accordingly.
 
oldius said:
The point, amid the argument and legal jousting is this:

Why is Nadhim Zahawi's business based in Gibraltar and Jacob Rees-Mogg's registered in the Cayman Islands, while both tell the nation that essential services cannot be afforded?

This IS the bigger point and it is unacceptable for MP's to avoid tax.
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There was someone on the BBC last night re Zahawi's tax.

If I recall rightly, she said:
  • "careless and not deliberate" is a specific term used; it doesn't mean 'I forgot to submit forms', it is much stronger than that, but not as far as criminal; the three bands are careless, deliberate, deliberate and concealed - essentially 'deliberate' in either option is probably fraud (my take is that Zahawi is parroting it because it can be misconstrued as being far less important than it appears)
  • the payment amount is indicative that he wasn't entirely forthcoming, but did partly cooperate; there is a sliding scale of %age penalty depending on behaviour
  • offshore places have a scale of dubiousness; Gibraltar is on a middling one, and this builds into the payment level (some are more dodgy than Gib, some less); the more dodgy, the higher the impact on penalty
  • HMRC will usually try to get the money and not pursue through the courts; part of their role is to secure the money, and there is a tradeoff between getting some, and risking not getting more by spending a lot on lawyers

My impression is that he tried something and HMRC spotted and raised it; the investigation made it clear that he had not complied correctly at which point Zahawi decided to settle as much as he could.
HMRC don't usually comment on cases, and this benefits Zahawi's weasel words.
 
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