PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[halfcenturyup]

Hypothetically, say ADUG had rerouted money through Etihad/Etisalat etc. Is there anything wrong with that from an accounting perspective? I can see how it would fall foul of FFP and related parties rules, but are accounts false if the money still came to the club via the sponsor?

No.

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

I take it there will be no banners aimed at the Premier League yet until we are sure they are handling this unfairly?

I was think banners like "Independent Regulator NOW Please!"

I mean they have tried to charge City and came after the club more than they would dare any of their darling clubs.

But I suppose it is better to take the view that we can't argue with what they think they have, until they show us their hand, I guess. Reeks of UEFA all over again though.

I don’t think it comes down to whether they are handling this fairly, it’s more about whose hand is up their ass and pulling their strings, and them being a massive puppet, without doubt this is the usual suspects of rags/dips/arse/others, as well as their own motives such as the ESL and outside governance. The fact they’ve chosen us as their whipping boys means it’s open season on them as far as I’m concerned

 

[oakiecokie]

I would like to see Lord Pannick taking all of our pre-match interviews from now on whilst pep sits next to him saying Fcuk all but puffing away heavily on a cuban!

Is that euphemism ??

 

[Dodge]

The degree to which City's alleged corruption is greater than the protectionist corruption of FFP is quite another matter. Those loyal to the European Super League cabal won't agree, but City are accused of breaking rules that shouldn't exist in their present form. What began as an assault on unscrupulous owners and debt was twisted into a means of thwarting new money coming into the game, whilst protecting an elite.

If we are giving City's titles to their rivals, there's not a lengthy list of benefactors; it's Manchester United, then Liverpool, then Manchester United, then Liverpool, then United, then Liverpool. The red clubs, who love the English game so much they tried to destroy it not so long ago, would again be close to untouchable: just as they like it, just as they have engineered it.

Martin Samuels.

Back of the fucking net.

 

[Charlesfarsbar]

We have sponsors to satisfy. I am sure they are on to our board for assurances of no wrong doing. If we lose, some will walk away.

Yes that’s a given

But why wouldn’t you allow yourself the time to manage the fallout on your terms by agreeing a settlement

Risking all on the commissions verdict will be a shit show if it comes down on the wrong side for us

 

[Wardley Blue]

It’s us a can of worms but these history clubs don’t give a shit! They’ve paid the media last 10 years to write lies continually!

So all this now all this shit coming our way and how long it takes they don’t care they’ll be loving it..

It’s the American way take out the threat the competition!

But these bullies have met their match.

 

[Ray bloody Purchase]

One thing is abundantly clear, the burden of proof is so high for the Premier League, I fail to see how the panel reaches it.

They would need to physically have former players waiting outside in the corridor to give evidence against us.

And if they had that, we would have known it in the four years we have dragged it out and it would never have gone this far.

It's a final Hail Mary, yet still predicated on non-compliance and when we are comfortable showing the supporting documents.

BDO will stand with us, as will all our sponsors and investors.

And that's before we discuss in essence, the temerity to put Khaldoon in the dock and him supposedly complicit in mass financial fraud.

The damage to his reputation alone and the boards he sits on would necessitate him to personally seek legal recourse.

It's a can of worms.

It’s this TH,………Khaldoon in the dock, and would it be others? that is blinding my thoughts, it keeps coming back to this, these are serious allegations, fraud, talking prison stretches here, won’t ever be trusted again in the business world, That’s not just Jesus, that’s Jesus Mary and Joseph!, we are getting so many extremes in the media, from what could lead to this scenario above to someone like Solkeh ( pardon the spelling) saying “ most people think it will be a couple of points deduction“ I was really surprised by that yesterday, I know people think he is a know nowt, but i thought that statement was the most bizarre thing of all the shit flying around yesterday , but what the friggin hell do I know

 

[Tricky_Trev]

Hypothetically, say ADUG had rerouted money through Etihad/Etisalat etc. Is there anything wrong with that from an accounting perspective? I can see how it would fall foul of FFP and related parties rules, but are accounts false if the money still came to the club via the sponsor?

Well yeah they would be false accounts, as owner funding is not revenue but we’d be recording it as revenue. It would be fraudulent. We’d be artificially inflating our revenue, allowing us to spend more than we ought to be able to.

 

[waspish]

BUT if we have done nothing wrong we have the opportunity not only to clear our name but come out of it stronger, unified and more fired up than ever.

Of course we will fight it!

 

[Deleted member 81382]

The closest you get to see about how the club feels will be clear to see in Pep’s demeanour in Fridays press conference. If he is bullish he’s been given good, strong news, which he believes, if he isn’t then god help us

If he looks fed up it will be because all of his achievements at City are currently being tarnished and he knows anything else he wins whilst this is still going on (which could be years so potentially the rest of his time here) will be disparaged too. On top of that he has to motivate players who will probably be feeling the same, that any trophies they win now will be discredited and in the worst case scenario could have them retrospectively taken away.

Pep has had to deal with this scrutiny the whole time he has been in England. The constant attempts by the media to play down his achievements and attribute all of our success to money whilst ignoring what our rivals spend. He was even asked if he had taken secret payments after we had just won the domestic treble. Then we were banned by UEFA and he was left to defend the club publicly against journalists who were once again questioning the legitimacy of our titles. And now this.

I don't think Pep's demeanour in Friday's press conference will be indicative of how the club feels about our chances. Even if they have told him they're confident, I would be surprised if he doesn't look beaten down by it all to be honest. Trying to build a winning team and maintain such high standards is challenging enough without all these other distractions.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

The seriousness for both parties is enormous, I don't think a lot of people on here realise that.

Exactly. Much as we don't want to admit it, City are small fry in all if this, a minor investment in the grander scheme of things.

Reputational damage extends beyond the Club and I don't believe the Premier League have truly digested what the ramifications are for years to come.

I suspect Khaldoon and Sheikh Mansour will want to be heard personally by these spunk bubble fuck-wits.

 

[Otamendi's Beard]

The club is confident, so we should be.

It will take years to come to a conclusion and we'll clear our name once and for all.

 

[rice10]

With this, according to many accounts, likely being dragged out for potentially years what do we think this will do to our efforts in the transfer market?

I would imagine players and their agents might think ‘I could move to City but this is hanging over them and I can’t guarantee an outcome either way’, or ‘I could move to team x where they are plodding along as normal with no threat of relegation’.

I have seen Tolmie saying business as per and we will blow Chelsea out of the water in the summer. It never quite works out like that though look at last summer sign Haaland and Alvarez get us excited that we finally have strikers to add to our squad, then sell the squad

Just wondered what we do if this waiting for a verdict lasts 4 years and we are trying to buy the big names who may not want the hassle.

 

[Keeper!]

Of course we will fight it!

Obviously we fight it, we are literally fighting for the future of the club and ownership.

 

[Metalartin]

Should also be questioned – how does he know the PL have a stronger case? Has he seen the case against us? Would be damning if so!

He doesn't have a clue, same as Tebas, they can say what they want without repercussions.

 

[Oels]

Gutted about this.

Still have 59 pages to catch up and have to leave work. Try again tomorrow!!

 

[Keeper!]

The club is confident, so we should be.

It will take years to come to a conclusion and we'll clear our name once and for all.

Why should it take years?


It a simple matter, did we commit fraud, we say we have irrefutable evidence, show the evidence and if it's true we are cleared.

 

[uwe rosler 28]

finally caught up think we will all feel a lot better on friday when pep confirms his commitment to the club. that alone will tell me hes been assured we have done nothing wrong. as many have pointed out both parties seem to have to much to lose in this and i can only see some form of deal being reached otherwise this will drag on for maybe another 10 years if not more as i just cant see city accepting any kind of punishment that makes us look guilty and will go as far as possible no matter how long it takes.

 

[terraloon]

One thing is abundantly clear, the burden of proof is so high for the Premier League, I fail to see how the panel reaches it.

They would need to physically have former players waiting outside in the corridor to give evidence against us.

And if they had that, we would have known it in the four years we have dragged it out and it would never have gone this far.

It's a final Hail Mary, yet still predicated on non-compliance and when we are comfortable showing the supporting documents.

BDO will stand with us, as will all our sponsors and investors.

And that's before we discuss in essence, the temerity to put Khaldoon in the dock and him supposedly complicit in mass financial fraud.

The damage to his reputation alone and the boards he sits on would necessitate him to personally seek legal recourse.

It's a can of worms.

The Burden of Proof in a Court of Law is “ Beyond Reasonable Doubt”

I believe at PL/FA hearings its way lower than “On the balance of probability”

 

[skillman]

Apologies if already posted - thought Stephen (@twosips) did well here. I couldn't be in a room with a load of fans who have already decided we're guilty (because they want to believe this recent domination on the pitch has been doped by some marketing deals off it?!) and smirking their way into debates with snide digs (specifically that Paul Machin wanting to be everybody's mate while coming across as a snide prick). Carragher included. And especially that Spurs fan who, for some reason, thinks they've been held back by City over the past 15 years when they've challenged for the league once and beaten by fucking Leicester. Bottlejobs.

Fair play to Neville too (I know) who calls out FFP for what it is. A scheme to keep certain clubs at the top of the pile while the rest have to sit and watch playing happy families.

Again, as I said yesterday, it boils down to a man being told he isn't allowed to spend his money how he wants to and because of that supposedly breaking these made-up, self-protective rules to be able to compete. Let that sink in. A load of horseshit.