PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Keeper! said:
IF the evidence is irreputable, why should it?
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Because the process will ensure that it does.

This isn't like an arm wrestling contest, over in moments, the strongest the winner. This is akin to war, where a sequence of long and costly battles are fought, leading eventually, over time, to a victor.

Looks to me as if the PL don't have a smoking gun to win this quickly, so they've piled the accusations high in the hope that a few might stick. Everything about this tells me there's been a complete breakdown in the relationship between City and the PL. Be under no illusion, there's real hate in all this, as there should be, there's hundreds and hundreds of millions in revenue at stake here.

If ever there was a case for an independent football regulator to bang heads it's this, it's no coincidence this case was brought before we have one.
 
Keeper! said:
Arrogance?

Never understood why we and others never fought FFP, if we had none of this would have taken place.
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I think because we found a way we thought complied — until the goalposts were moved on historical fee amortization after being unclear, and then when we asked for clarification, clarified . . . and then changed once we filed accounts. That’s how I recall it at any rate. How do you fight that? We got trapped/hoodwinked. Back to the issue at hand — a technical violation = murder. There are only two verdicts — innocent but actually guilty, and guilty and under-punished.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I don’t know shit about British law, but if there’s an in, my hope is a revenge suit has to do with restraint of trade — proof FFP was designed specifically to prevent other football clubs from competing. I’ve always thought of City as Amazon and the cartel as Wal-Mart or pick-your-big-national British retailer. I’ve used this analogy several times. Imagine those retailers being allowed to curtail Amazon’s economic growth and ambitions because it was tech-based, venture funded and made net profit accounting losses while it built its business. And imagine such restrictions were in the guise of protecting Amazon’s employees and customers, and the employees and customers of every little podunk Mom and Pop retailer around too. That’s FFP. It’s likely provable with a century’s worth of football financial statements that the correlation between administration and debt/cash flow is exceedingly high (perhaps 1) whereas between net income and administration is low. So why was net income used? We know why.
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100% agree, and hopefully this will be the final outcome.

These prolonged issues have affected the reputation of the club and must have put off sponsors etc.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I think because we found a way we thought complied — until the goalposts were moved on historical fee amortization after being unclear, and then when we asked for clarification, clarified . . . and then changed once we filed accounts. That’s how I recall it at any rate. How do you fight that? We got trapped/hoodwinked. Back to the issue at hand — a technical violation = murder. There are only two verdicts — innocent but actually guilty, and guilty and under-punished.
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Maybe we just screwed up with the emails, I would imagine if you hacked into any major companies email accounts there would be some seriously damaging information in them.

If these hacked emails show we were paying the likes of Mancini off the official accounts or Etihad clearly weren't paying the fees directly we are in deep doo doo.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I think because we found a way we thought complied — until the goalposts were moved on historical fee amortization after being unclear, and then when we asked for clarification, clarified . . . and then changed once we filed accounts. That’s how I recall it at any rate. How do you fight that? We got trapped/hoodwinked. Back to the issue at hand — a technical violation = murder. There are only two verdicts — innocent but actually guilty, and guilty and under-punished.
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That's how it was.

The rules were changed after we submitted and we took the pinch, because we were assured it was just enough red meat to keep the wolves from the door, but it was a lie, the wolves have been at us ever since.

City cannot win this as we've already lost, global football is global brand and our brand is in the toilet. We might win this case some ways down the line, but what will we have lost in the meantime?

As I've said, the process is the punishment.
 
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Keepingthefaithsince1976 said:
Maybe it wasn't that simple. Maybe as Khaldoon said it was better to take the pinch. Like you though not something I agreed with.
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I'm speculating here, but if Khaldoon has a fault it is that he thinks that with his education, his connections, his power and his wealth, he's considered no differently than his western contemporaries.

Sadly that's not the case.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I don’t know shit about British law, but if there’s an in, my hope is a revenge suit has to do with restraint of trade — proof FFP was designed specifically to prevent other football clubs from competing.
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Absolutely, City need to challenge the restriction of trade. Every big club now is a business.
 
The perfect fumble said:
I'm speculating here, but if Khaldoon has a fault it is that he thinks that with his education, his connections, his power and his wealth, he's considered no differently than his western contemporaries.

Sadly that's not the case.
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It was because of an interview I saw of Khaldoon that I joined bluemoon. I'd never heard of it before...then again I wasn't much of a forum guy. Well Manchester evening news City section a bit.
He seemed pretty humble and normal to me. If I was him I wouldn't give 2 hoots what his western, eastern, northern or southern contempories consider about him. At a guess they're too busy trying to take top spot. He's doing just fine keeping Pep, Sheik Mansour, Cheeky & Ferran Soriano happy and content in the workplace.
On another note I'd love to know what he's thinking about all this charges stuff. Hopefully he's not at all worried and 'has got this'
 
The perfect fumble said:
That's how it was.

The rules were changed after we submitted and we took the pinch, because we were assured it was just enough red meat to keep the wolves from the door, but it was a lie, the wolves have been at us ever since.

City cannot win this as we've already lost, global football is global brand and our brand is in the toilet. We might win this case some ways down the line, but what will we have lost in the meantime?

As I've said, the process is the punishment.
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Did you know our revenues were higher than Real Madrid and now we have Haaland?

Our brand is going to be just fine!
 
The perfect fumble said:
That's how it was.

The rules were changed after we submitted and we took the pinch, because we were assured it was just enough red meat to keep the wolves from the door, but it was a lie, the wolves have been at us ever since.

City cannot win this as we've already lost, global football is global brand and our brand is in the toilet. We might win this case some ways down the line, but what will we have lost in the meantime?

As I've said, the process is the punishment.
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Sadly I agree with you. If you're a top player will you seriously want to come to us ? It's like we will now be known forever as the cheats. We are tarnished.

If we win this case I sincerely hope City sue the PL big time over our reputation being badly tarnished, so badly leading to all sorts of problems in the future.
 
Blue_Lightsaber said:
Liverpool got banned from Europe for 5 years!

How's their brand now?
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It's like comparing two different things though. Liverpool have a massive worldwide following, even here in Oz they're huge. We have mainly local fans. Also the media love the victims, they hate us. It's very different.
 
Imagine Google trying to impose investment sanctions on Facebook, or twitter. What if BP tried it with shell oil. Or natwest telling barclays to stop trying to be more successful than them. Or nasa getting tetchy with space x because they are the new kid on the launch pad. It beggars belief that the premier league, Uefa, Fifa, fa whoever tried to instill this nonsense on a recently wealthy owned football club. That they did it so blatantly after the investment and not in the previous 130 years may be a point worth noting also.
 
Bill Walker said:
Sadly I agree with you. If you're a top player will you seriously want to come to us ? It's like we will now be known forever as the cheats. We are tarnished.

If we win this case I sincerely hope City sue the PL big time over our reputation being badly tarnished, so badly leading to all sorts of problems in the future.
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Interesting opinion. City were going to do a refresh in 2021 but it was pushed back.. could it be due to the charges earlier??

And the summer we need a massive refresh, these charges appear again to sow doubt amongst transfer targets?
 
Bill Walker said:
It's like comparing two different things though. Liverpool have a massive worldwide following, even here in Oz they're huge. We have mainly local fans. Also the media love the victims, they hate us. It's very different.
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Plus everyone else was banned for 5 years, Liverpool for longer, and there were very few games and no money in it back then. Only the finals on telly.
 
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