PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[shemnel]

A small industry? It’s f**kin giant

mmmm well, as football fans we have an inflated view - the PL is estimated to contribute roughly £8bn to the UK economy per year. conisder the soft drinks industry is ~£15bn and many other industries dwarf it. The coverage it gets is completely disproportionate to its worth, but it's entertainment and has a very heavy cultural legacy. It's not that massive in terms of personnel either, at the very top.

 

[domalino]

Oh come on ffs. You have got to be kidding?

I’d be like if a robber commits a crime and gets arrested for it without much evidence but then the people who grassed him up fancied doing a robbery too, so those in power, who were the grasses mates, quickly changed the law to make it legal in order to suit the grasses.

Perfectly fair because the robber broke the law but the latter didn’t right? Absolutely reasonable behaviour. You can’t pick and choose when laws stand or exist in order to suit an agenda.

No, it's like countries voting to legalise weed after decades of increasing criminalisation.

The laws exist as they are and have to be followed. That doesn't mean you can't support legalisation or overturning the current law.

Or see prohibition in the USA as an even more appropriate example. Someone saying "we tried prohibition for 13 years but it's not working", doesn't mean they have to support forgiving everyone who was convicted for bootlegging over the last decade.



This whole "the rules were stoopid so who cares if we broke them?" attitude belongs in primary school, it's no defence or excuse. Either you follow the rules you willingly signed up to or you try to change them through the allowed means.

City never tried to change the rules, which means they had to follow them. That's why these charges are so serious if we're found guilty.

 

[Bluearmy]

Ric - how do you think I feel? Another four fucking years of trawling through handbooks, toolkits, legal judgements, working out what they all mean and trying to make sense of them for City fans.

Its really appreciated, im sure by many of us….. even if we dont say it enough!! Thank you!!

 

[BufordUSABlue]

Well, I could have told you all those would have been issues last week, apart from the UEFA licensing I suppose, that wouldn't have occurred to me.

What accounting practices re sponsorship, for example? The value, the funding, the policies used, the bookkeeping, the question of related party, or ten other options. If it's just the value, the funding or the related party narure I doubt we have much to worry about having been cleared once. How can anyone say this is a serious issue warranting expulsion or points deduction without knowing the details?

Mancini? What contracts were there, who paid what, where and when, were taxes paid, where and when, were services performed, for who, when and at what value, any inter-group transactions to settle, who ultimately bore the cost? No details, so we can't say how serious it is.

I could go on.

And I will if you encourage me. :)

Consider yourself encouraged pal

 

[Bluemoonadam]

Hold on to most of the squad and it becomes one financially-duffed season, straight back up on record numbers, and then one more less-than-ideal financial season, then back to normal business.

There wouldn’t need to be a huge fire-sale. Just need to convince people to stay, some would bite, others less likely. And hey, we wouldn’t even be bound by the PL FFP rules for that season, ironically.

I think alot would leave tbh

 

[Rory Bluelow]

Was reported as up to £80k per day, wasn't it? About what the rags were paying Ronaldo?
Hopefully Pannick can provide a better return than cr37...

He can probably run faster.

 

[HelloCity]

No, it's like countries voting to legalise weed after decades of increasing criminalisation.

The laws exist as they are and have to be followed. That doesn't mean you can't support legalisation or overturning the current law.

Or see prohibition in the USA as an even more appropriate example. Someone saying "we tried prohibition for 13 years but it's not working", doesn't mean they have to support forgiving everyone who was convicted for bootlegging over the last decade.

Individual, in terms of Jordan’s position though. Surely there’s no defending that? This guy has been totally against owner investment labelling us a Frankenstein club. Now it’s Utd he wants a rule changed and that’s ok?

 

[domalino]

Individual, in terms of Jordan’s position though. Surely there’s no defending that? This guy has been totally against owner investment labelling us a Frankenstein club. Now it’s Utd he wants a rule changed and that’s ok?

He's against City because he thinks we broke the rules. The rules he (presumably) was having to run his club by during the same period. He's got good reason to think we broke the rules as well, the emails look damning, the PL has enough evidence to charge us.

That's why this judicial process is important to everyone.

 

[paska]

mmmm well, as football fans we have an inflated view - the PL is estimated to contribute roughly £8bn to the UK economy per year. conisder the soft drinks industry is ~£15bn and many other industries dwarf it. The coverage it gets is completely disproportionate to its worth, but it's entertainment and has a very heavy cultural legacy. It's not that massive in terms of personnel either, at the very top.

The question wasn’t revenue but in unrelated parties. The number of people who work in football and it’s many arms and legs, vastly dwarfs the energy drink industry.

 

[Woody135]

good post mate and spells out exactly the nature of the challenge. Either they are saying we and our auditors have cheated on a massive scale (that would be unique in UK sport), or that the sponsorship has come indirectly from HRH the Sheik. In that second option, surely the auditor would also have to ensure that any sponsorship over £10m was compliant within FP rules of the time?

I just find this whole charge over such a prolonged period so unbelievable that its not easy to come to any other conclusion that the PL are utterly, utterly corrupt and are simply the mouthpiece of a band of rival/enemy clubs who will distance themselves as soon as it becomes clear the charges will largely fail. (and set up a new Super League).

Yes the auditor signs off the accounts to companies house and a separate report (of similar information) to PL on compliance with FFP rules. Hence they are saying everything was lawful, appropriate and accurate with those rules.

They can not confirm 100% where the cash came from. That for me is the only potential point of contention.

However at CAS City brought the CEO of Etihad as a witness. No doubt he said Etihad paid it (or at least arranged for payment and booked the costs) and it was fair. I find it hard for anyone to then rule against that in my opinion. No doubt similar would happen for other deals.

I dont think this is corruption. I just think this is PL saying we dont believe you and although we may not be able to prove it we are going to charge you anyway and see what happens. Whether that motive is due to pressure from the other clubs or a self entitled sense of responsibility by the PL is anyones guess

 

[marco]

Individual, in terms of Jordan’s position though. Surely there’s no defending that? This guy has been totally against owner investment labelling us a Frankenstein club. Now it’s Utd he wants a rule changed and that’s ok?

take no notice its a phone up show all designed to make people phone in and increase revenue, for instance you will get one guy saying we should be relegated and another saying we shouldnt it creates conversation,all there interested is increasing revenue

 

[BufordUSABlue]

"Fwankenstein"

Just **** will suffice

 

[sir baconface]

If we can demonstrate that other clubs have been “creative accounting” then all the better tbh .

I tried a similar argument when I got caught speeding.

 

[Gray]

I think alot would leave tbh

Yes they would but a fresh start with some young blood, many from the academy.

Visits to places like Barrow, Grimsby, Harrogate, Hartlepool, Plymouth, Ipswich, Portsmouth, Exeter, Bristol, Oxford, Fleetwood, Morecambe, Cambridge etc with thousands of travelling fans - just like the good old days.

City fans are made of very strong stuff.

 

[paska]

No, it's like countries voting to legalise weed after decades of increasing criminalisation.

The laws exist as they are and have to be followed. That doesn't mean you can't support legalisation or overturning the current law.

Or see prohibition in the USA as an even more appropriate example. Someone saying "we tried prohibition for 13 years but it's not working", doesn't mean they have to support forgiving everyone who was convicted for bootlegging over the last decade.



This whole "the rules were stoopid so who cares if we broke them?" attitude belongs in primary school, it's no defence or excuse. Either you follow the rules you willingly signed up to or you try to change them through the allowed means.

City never tried to change the rules, which means they had to follow them. That's why these charges are so serious if we're found guilty.

Willingly signed up for, funny you should say that as in both examples that didn’t happen

You don’t willingly sign up for the laws that are imposed on you from birth.

Likewise, City didn’t willingly sign up for a cartel league, corrupt governance, FFP, et al. It was a long and rotten coup d’etat that carried away the entire pyramid through linkage.

 

[halfcenturyup]

am i right in thinking this all boils down to non cooperation? the PL wants us to give them evidence of us inflating sponsorship paying players and staff through other companies etc and we are saying that non of this excist? and basically they are saying it does through old hacked emails? or maybe i am just reading it all wrong?

Nobody knows.

 

[Blu3m00n91]

Look at all these cockroach journalist creating these stories about Haaland, Pep etc wanting to leave. The club are too fucking soft. They need to be banned from attending the Etihad and having the opportunity to ask Pep and the players the shit questions. I’m sick of it

 

[Bluemoonadam]

Yes they would but a fresh start with some young blood, many from the academy.

Visits to places like Barrow, Grimsby, Harrogate, Hartlepool, Plymouth, Ipswich, Portsmouth, Exeter, Bristol, Oxford, Fleetwood, Morecambe, Cambridge etc with thousands of travelling fans - just like the good old days.

City fans are made of very strong stuff.

I could possibly accept them sending us down aslong as they didn't take our titles off us.

 

[M18CTID]

He's against City because he thinks we broke the rules. The rules he (presumably) was having to run his club by during the same period. He's got good reason to think we broke the rules as well, the emails look damning, the PL has enough evidence to charge us.

That's why this judicial process is important to everyone.

Wrong. He's been against us ever since the takeover which pre-dated the rules. He calls us (and Chelsea) "artificial clubs" and that's fuck all to do with whether he thinks we broke the rules - it's to do with him slagging off clubs whose owners pump lots of money into football clubs. Well, certain football clubs anyway. Just watch the **** change his tune if the Qataris buy his beloved United.

 

[shemnel]

The question wasn’t revenue but in unrelated parties. The number of people who work in football and it’s many arms and legs, vastly dwarfs the energy drink industry.

well, the £8bn figure is for the PL industry and all its spin off jobs and contributions etc, not the revenue. I suppose the other leagues will add a bit, but not much. Anyway, seems a bit of a tangent so i wont take it any further.

(energy drink != soft drink)

CTID.