Isn't it possible that City have some new ways of making money that the rest of football has no idea about? It could be marketing, licensing, promotion, selling of intellectual rights to other parts of cfg, publishing etc etc that City don't want to give the Premier league. I mean if other Premier league clubs haven't been creative or experienced enough to earn money in this way why should City give it away for free? Surely if the Premier league want this information then they should pay City for it and City should copyright it and anyone else who wants it should pay a license fee. I think Gary Cook spoke of this in his early days at City. Basically that football was not selling itself at a high enough price in certain markets.As @domalino has pointed out, there are possibly data disclosure issues that the Prem has that do not necessarily have anything to do with GAAP or the UK/European equivalent. For example, as a stock analyst, I can ask a company for information, but unless GAAP and the Securities and Exchange Commission require the information be disclosed, the company isn’t required to provide it to me legally (and likely has to provide it to everyone if provided to me per Reg FD or “Full Disclosure”). To help me understand the business it might do so, and the SEC regularly reviews financial filings and asks companies to clarify or expand what they disclose, and accounting rules change all the time too in terms of calculations and disclosures.
So this is possibly that kind of a situation where the Prem required disclosure for its own purposes which City didn’t provide or omitted.
Now the way such a “violation” is worded in the accusations or — especially — what some media outlets have run with over here (i.e. “cooking the books”) is inflammatory if not total horseshit. But as I said before — the damage is done — and those with no command of accounting or the laws pertaining to it do not care a whit if such hyperbole is what we are saddled with. As with the original FFP “violations”, the devil is in the details — and details rarely get in the way of a good headline and/or lynching.
Even a load of retrospective 15 point deductions would still keep a couple of those prem titles in the cabinet.As long as we got back to our usual
Level of performance next year we could swallow a 20 point deduction and still get into the champions league, that would probably feel like a tittle win!
It won’t be CAS but the high court who we would appeal any decision to I would imagine.GDM would know for sure I would imagineThere is always a right of appeal to the law courts, even after CAS, iirc. But you must have a pretty strong legal argument, I think.
Well that's right. My point was that even CAS decisions, as the "final" arbiter in most sports can be challenged. Same applies here.It won’t be CAS but the high court who we would appeal any decision to I would imagine.GDM would know for sure I would imagine
Anything’s possible I guess. The accusations don’t come with many specifics that I saw and the details/nuance are everything. I’m just guessing/using logic but the damage has been done — the appellation “books cookers” won’t change no matter what happens now. It’s angering and sad (and will be no matter how this plays out) but it isn’t going to change how I feel or how I follow.Isn't it possible that City have some new ways of making money that the rest of football has no idea about? It could be marketing, licensing, promotion, selling of intellectual rights to other parts of cfg, publishing etc etc that City don't want to give the Premier league. I mean if other Premier league clubs haven't been creative or experienced enough to earn money in this way why should City give it away for free? Surely if the Premier league want this information then they should pay City for it and City should copyright it and anyone else who wants it should pay a license fee. I think Gary Cook spoke of this in his early days at City. Basically that football was not selling itself at a high enough price in certain markets.
Thank god? You could make some serious money out of this if you were :-)Well that's right. My point was that even CAS decisions, as the "final" arbiter in most sports can be challenged. Same applies here.
But you would need some pretty good grounds. Conflict of interest I would imagine, lack of independence, process not in accordance with UK law. That sort of thing.
Just imho. Not a lawyer, thank God.
Could the decision itself be appealed though, or just the financial consequences of it? Does a court get involved with football's internal rules, or would it be a case of City suing the Premier League for lost earnings resulting in a dodgy process? Kinda like Sheffield United. They sued for lost earnings, but the court had no power to retrospectively save them from relegation or kick West Ham out of the league.It won’t be CAS but the high court who we would appeal any decision to I would imagine.GDM would know for sure I would imagine
He’s hiding with the others behind the ‘Time barred’ element, clinging by their fingernails. Every journalist, media shill, or anyone who has had the temerity to call us ‘cheats’ should be very worried, because if we wipe the floor with the PL in this case, it’s open season on every one of them, we’ll be holding polls on here to see which one we should go after, Khaldoon will be doubling down on his last statement & it’s now the 100 best lawyers for £60M for the next 20 yearsPing pong cheating **** still hasn't apologised to us a he said he'd do if CAS came in on our side.