PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

PPT said:
Hopefully. Maybe I’m just pessimistic?
But the PL have gone all out on this one with a death or glory approach. It is the last and final opportunity to finally finish us off. They don’t give a shit about fairness or justice and they don’t have to. They want us gone.
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The problem for the Premier League is that they are being bullied by the eight, or was it nine clubs, who originally wrote and backed that letter. The Premier League would probably prefer that this situation just disappeared.
 
feelymcfeel said:
Per some BBC article on the spuds and Levy, ENIC have promised to put an extra £150m into Spurs. I though owner investment was bad and everything had to come from above board, audited, forensically analysed commercial and matchday revenue?
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Different clubs play by different rules.
Do keep up!
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Taking my blue-tinted spectacles off, the more I think about it, the more absurd the notion that the club has systemically and substantially cooked the books becomes.

It would involve a deception on a par with Bernie Madoff, but to involve a much greater conspiracy, in terms of numbers involved. It would also involve incompetence from auditors and banks on a scale similar to the SEC and Bear Stearns in the Madoff case. Logic says the likelihood of all that occurring to be vanishingly small. The serious charges simply make no sense, if logic is applied. There may be a couple of technical breaches, but that would be true of any club.

Conspiracies are notoriously hard to keep going over a sustained period. The bigger, the harder. People fall out, or become aggrieved, or something unforeseeable occurs to move the pieces on the board. Something always happens eventually. The notion this size of conspiracy went on for the period alleged simply doesn’t hold any water.

Something evidential would have come out by now.
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In general I don't disagree with this, but to be fair..something has come out, hasn't it?

First we had the Der Spiegel leaks, which of course the club says were misquoted and taken out of context (very possible, but I don't think we know the full picture) and then there's the very real possibility that the PL have had information from a whistleblower.

There's also the separate question of how widespread the conspiracy would actually need to be here. I'm not sure it's as wide as some are saying.

Of course this is going to be extremely difficult for the PL to prove, and the inherent implausibility will be a big part of City's defence. But we must admit the possibility that the PL do have some good evidence. I think that even if they were pressured into taking this action (and again that's very possible), it seems very unlikely they'd do so without a respectable basis. Personally, while I do think on balance City are more likely to be successful, I'd be surprised if the PL don't have a respectable case.


For what it's worth I say this as an experienced professional in an adjacent field who has investigated and litigated fraud and misrep cases of this magnitude.
 
PPT said:
Hopefully. Maybe I’m just pessimistic?
But the PL have gone all out on this one with a death or glory approach. It is the last and final opportunity to finally finish us off. They don’t give a shit about fairness or justice and they don’t have to. They want us gone.
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this is how i see it, the PL hearing is judge jury and executioner all rolled into one, its their one and only chance to put us away which is the end goal, redress 'yes' maybe thats possible in the high court for the damage to the city business model but by the time anything like that reaches court we would have worked our way up from say Div 2 and back into the PL so most likely only financial gain from going to court, it wouldnt help with being dumped in the lower divisions, i asume we would be expelled with imediate effect unless we meet the crieteria for a second hearing, it really is shit or bust for both parties here, we either need the Government steping in with this so called white paper is it? or for the PL to soil themselves and pull out and withdraw the charges or just sit and wait in the hope the club have done enough homework to win the case
 
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eastmanc said:
The problem for the Premier League is that they are being bullied by the eight, or was it nine clubs, who originally wrote and backed that letter. The Premier League would probably prefer that this situation just disappeared.
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There’s no way Newcastle Leicester Wolves and Burnley’s boardrooms were part of any bullying. They were just opportunist cunts.

It’s all on the others, especially the Redshirts.
 
been searching, but can't see it - has anyone got a link to the embargoed part of yesterday's press conference?
 
Braggster said:
In general I don't disagree with this, but to be fair..something has come out, hasn't it?

First we had the Der Spiegel leaks, which of course the club says were misquoted and taken out of context (very possible, but I don't think we know the full picture) and then there's the very real possibility that the PL have had information from a whistleblower.

There's also the separate question of how widespread the conspiracy would actually need to be here. I'm not sure it's as wide as some are saying.

Of course this is going to be extremely difficult for the PL to prove, and the inherent implausibility will be a big part of City's defence. But we must admit the possibility that the PL do have some good evidence. I think that even if they were pressured into taking this action (and again that's very possible), it seems very unlikely they'd do so without a respectable basis. Personally, while I do think on balance City are more likely to be successful, I'd be surprised if the PL don't have a respectable case.


For what it's worth I say this as an experienced professional in an adjacent field who has investigated and litigated fraud and misrep cases of this magnitude.
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The emails were of nugatory evidential value.

And I’m no stranger to dodgy practices either!
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
That’s a fair point, mate, although surely in a public organisation that type of culture is much less likely.
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Morecambe Bay and Mid Staffordshire NHS trusts, Jimmy Savile and all the other paedos at the BBC, countless child abuse in care homes and the church and many many others. Once people have accepted what’s going on is somehow ‘normal’ it’s staggering how far things can go in a relatively short time. Even though there are victims in there they can still take years to be fully exposed. Now, if there’s no ‘victim’ per se, it quickly becomes apparent how things are perceived within an organisation can be very different to how they’re perceived outside.
All that being said, I’m as convinced as you that the sheer scale of the alleged offences at city would require an absolutely huge conspiracy, given the sheer scale of outside agencies involved in those 10 years.
Very much looking forward to a fairly raucous day out tomorrow, which I wasn’t sure would necessarily be the case after Monday!
 
Revolver said:
Pep was brilliant yesterday but him on his own is not enough.

Until the club start making statements about this witch hunt and suing or banning people who want to destroy us from our ground then the media narrative will not change.

Stand up to these bullies. They despise us and always will.
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City can't go about it in a piecemeal manner as much as we'd like them to,there would be an issue every week, hopefully the right way to deal with all this is as Khaldoon said "Once and for all".
 
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