Suella Braverman - sacked as Home Secretary (p394)

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bluethrunthru said:
I hear that really thick mince is contacting its legal team

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Distraction. Look at those boats while in the meantime the Tories have run the country into the ground.

Everywhere you look, it’s like they point to this big shiny bauble but when you look inside there’s nothing there. It’s been ravaged, leaving nothing of substance and a threadbare, underfunded workforce to try and keep a semblance of dignity for those that had so much pride in their vocation.

I hate to use these words but they are a cancer on society, killing the soul of the country and further asset stripping, leaving us all with a lifetime of regret.
 
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The boats, the boats...yes, they are taking a shitload of money to the tax havens of the world, while the MPs that captain them tell you that essential services cannot be afforded. Braverman is a lightweight, and how she has managed to command the career she has is a complete mystery. The difficulty she has is that she is simply voicing what she believes her audience wish to hear, and when you talk about issues as sensitive as those, simply because you are courting votes, you come across as psychotic, ignorant, and devious. Those who point to this as a distraction are absolutely spot on, and the Daily Mail is just one tax-avoiding tool that helps to spill the bile channel-wards.
 
Gabriel said:
I never know how to react when Conservative MPs from landlocked constituencies claim that their voters are terrified of these ‘boats’. Seems incongruous, like when the contestants from Wolverhampton win the boat on Bullseye.
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Lee Anderson says the boats are the biggest concern of his constituents. In Ashfield. 250 miles away from the South Coast.
 
domalino said:
Lee Anderson says the boats are the biggest concern of his constituents. In Ashfield. 250 miles away from the South Coast.
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He knows, sadly, that this remains a vote winner, for some.

The incessant mining of this issue by Conservative MPs is driving this. When I worked in Burnley, one of the most impoverished towns in the UK, the BNP decided to base themselves there. They used the poverty, and ethnic make up of the town, for their own parasitic aims because someone else is much easier to blame when life is so very difficult and when the poverty you feel is as much one of hopelessness as it is the affordability of day-to-day living. 'Coming over here, taking our jobs, taking our houses, taking our GP appointments, filling our schools...' immigration is a positive for an economy that wishes to grow, but if the government refuses to invest in public services to help a growing population to thrive, because it also wants to continue avoiding taxes, then the pressure will be on those services...as it is.
 
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domalino said:
Lee Anderson says the boats are the biggest concern of his constituents. In Ashfield. 250 miles away from the South Coast.
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Well yes but anyone who has seen that footage of him 'canvassing' knows that Lee Anderson is a liar and not a very bright one at that.

There will always be a proportion of the population receptive/susceptible to this kind of stuff but despite them flogging it to the nth degree I hope it will do nothing but put them in a race to the bottom with Reform for a percentage of the electorate that is insufficient to save them. Given everything else going on in the current shitshow their desperation/ lack of subtlety in repeatedly playing this card is probably alienating as many of their natural constituency as it is galvanising them.
 
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absolutely abandoned her obligations by not speaking out about last nights events which in turn encourages people like this arsehole to think he speaks for everyone
 
bluethrunthru said:
absolutely abandoned her obligations by not speaking out about last nights events which in turn encourages people like this arsehole to think he speaks for everyone
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Reminds me of someone who said "Theres bad guys on both sides..."

Who was that orange faced fascist. His name escapes me...?
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
****.
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Well that is one opinion.

Another is that she and indeed her predecessor (Priti Patel) and Lee Anderson - the new deputy party chairman - speak for most people*. But the trouble is, the civil service, the fake Tory MPs (who should really be in the Lib-Dem party) & charities such as Care4Calais (why has that not been shut-down?) act against the majority view. I thought I lived in a democratic country, but I'm not sure I do.

*Not most on here of course - this is (mostly) for young people, but in just a few years time a quater of the UK population will be over-65 and most of them think in a similar way to me, which is why Braverman/Badinoch/Anderson and people with similar views are playing the long game.
 
TinFoilHat said:
Reminds me of someone who said "Theres bad guys on both sides..."

Who was that orange faced fascist. His name escapes me...?
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I assume you mean Donald Trump, yes?

The fact is, if there hadn't been a corona virus pandemic, it is more than likley that he would have had eight years, not four.

Interestingly, when Trump tried to say it was a virus from a lab in Wuhan everyone shouted him down, but when Biden said it was a virus from a lab in Wuhan, not so much.

If Covid-19 had started in a market in Salisbury (a few miles away from Porton Down) what do you think the world view would have been?
 
El_george said:
Well that is one opinion.

Another is that she and indeed her predecessor (Priti Patel) and Lee Anderson - the new deputy party chairman - speak for most people*. But the trouble is, the civil service, the fake Tory MPs (who should really be in the Lib-Dem party) & charities such as Care4Calais (why has that not been shut-down?) act against the majority view. I thought I lived in a democratic country, but I'm not sure I do.

*Not most on here of course - this is (mostly) for young people, but in just a few years time a quater of the UK population will be over-65 and most of them think in a similar way to me, which is why Braverman/Badinoch/Anderson and people with similar views are playing the long game.
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What, all young people become more fascist as they get older?
 
El_george said:
I assume you mean Donald Trump, yes?
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Interestingly, when Trump tried to say it was a virus from a lab in Wuhan everyone shouted him down, but when Biden said it was a virus from a lab in Wuhan, not so much.

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Because "everyone" knows Trump is a liar.

And Biden hasn't said it was from a lab in Wuhan, so that's not true.
www.whitehouse.gov

Statement by President Joe Biden on the Investigation into the Origins of COVID-⁠19 | The White House

This week, I received the report on the 90-day sprint I asked our intelligence community to conduct into the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic. I am
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Vic said:
What, all young people become more fascist as they get older?
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Not all, but most.

Remember Brexit 2016? I work in a place that was a polling station that day. At 8am there were zimmer frames and walking sticks everywhere, whilst the 18-23s stayed in bed. They are regretting that now, yes?
 
Vic said:
Because "everyone" knows Trump is a liar.

And Biden hasn't said it was from a lab in Wuhan, so that's not true.
www.whitehouse.gov

Statement by President Joe Biden on the Investigation into the Origins of COVID-⁠19 | The White House

This week, I received the report on the 90-day sprint I asked our intelligence community to conduct into the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic. I am
www.whitehouse.gov www.whitehouse.gov
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I notice you selected to edit my 'post', so no comment on: "If Covid-19 had started in a market in Salisbury (a few miles away from Porton Down) what do you think the world view would have been?"

I am not saying it was a deliberate bio/viral-weapon, but it is highly likely it was an accident, so where are reparations from China for the financial crash Covid-19 has caused?
 
El_george said:
Well that is one opinion.

Another is that she and indeed her predecessor (Priti Patel) and Lee Anderson - the new deputy party chairman - speak for most people*. But the trouble is, the civil service, the fake Tory MPs (who should really be in the Lib-Dem party) & charities such as Care4Calais (why has that not been shut-down?) act against the majority view. I thought I lived in a democratic country, but I'm not sure I do.

*Not most on here of course - this is (mostly) for young people, but in just a few years time a quater of the UK population will be over-65 and most of them think in a similar way to me, which is why Braverman/Badinoch/Anderson and people with similar views are playing the long game.
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I find this view so very sad.

You, and I, are lucky to be born into a country that is not war-torn, famine stricken, fault-line destroyed, or climate eroded. Is it not your duty, desire, and responsibility to offer a helping hand to members of the same species who are struck by such disadvantage, especially given that we are part of the world that supplies the waste and weaponry that helps to create those conditions?
 
It is really important to note that the recent defector from the Conservative Party has said that its intention is to wage a culture war, intensifying division, as the only way it believes that it can have an impact on the next election. Effectively, it is saying that it wishes to further harm the nation for its own ends.
 
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