PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[manimanc]

Paddy Power taking the piss again :)

Petition started by the scousers against paddy power i 3...2....1...

That is really funny by the way.

 

[SatOnTheWall]

Make of this what you will, but I've just been privy to some startling information that would blow the lid off PGMOL and the power brokers at the Premier League, if it became public. It involves a recording of a conversation between the match day referee and VAR official at a recent away match, a recording that is now in the hands of City.

It's my firm belief that City have compiled a dossier so incendiary, that the Premier League will have no choice but to totally exonerate the Club of any wrongdoing. If they don't, this is going nuclear. Either way, we hold all the cards and this explains why we're so bullish about the eventual outcome. The Premier League are on the back foot, and in my opinion, are currently lobbying the membership as to how best to quietly end the process. I have also been advised that at least one of the "Nasty 9" has had board level discussions with City, distancing themselves from the others in the cabal.

Pep's press conference tells us all we need to know. Watch it again, look at the anger and barely controllable rage in the mans eyes. His attitude wasn't based upon him being reassured about some poxy finances & bullshit charges, it was because he KNOWS exactly what is coming.

Sit back and enjoy the ride Blues.

I am not sure I like this.

I want us to be cleared through a proper process because we didn’t do it, not because we blackmailed our way to it.

I would treat them as two totally separate situations.

If we have got such a recording/dossier, I would like to think we will go straight to the proper authority with it.

 

[Inter Me Nan]

Make of this what you will, but I've just been privy to some startling information that would blow the lid off PGMOL and the power brokers at the Premier League, if it became public. It involves a recording of a conversation between the match day referee and VAR official at a recent away match, a recording that is now in the hands of City.

It's my firm belief that City have compiled a dossier so incendiary, that the Premier League will have no choice but to totally exonerate the Club of any wrongdoing. If they don't, this is going nuclear. Either way, we hold all the cards and this explains why we're so bullish about the eventual outcome. The Premier League are on the back foot, and in my opinion, are currently lobbying the membership as to how best to quietly end the process. I have also been advised that at least one of the "Nasty 9" has had board level discussions with City, distancing themselves from the others in the cabal.

Pep's press conference tells us all we need to know. Watch it again, look at the anger and barely controllable rage in the mans eyes. His attitude wasn't based upon him being reassured about some poxy finances & bullshit charges, it was because he KNOWS exactly what is coming.

Sit back and enjoy the ride Blues.

Please be true & please let it be the derby.

 

[slbsn]

Thanks. But if they first learned of a potential fraud in 2018 could they only look back as far as 2012 , or am I not understanding the time barring thing at all. Lol

No. In essence it resets the time to file the claim. Otherwise, you could get away with things by dishonestly concealing them long enough. It is a high hurdle to prove dishonest concealment though

 

[Protein Junkie]

They have already got the verdict they want and that is guilty as charges in the public eye and arena again.

All about reputational damage, a hope players walk, a hope Pep walks, a hope it puts signings off and a hope sponsors walk.

The more I think about this the more I think it’s a sham suite of charges with little to no merit whatsoever but they know it will never get to a stage where the charges are picked apart.

Exactly.
It’s the reputational damage that’s a free hit here.

 

[Eric Hitchmough]

Make of this what you will, but I've just been privy to some startling information that would blow the lid off PGMOL and the power brokers at the Premier League, if it became public. It involves a recording of a conversation between the match day referee and VAR official at a recent away match, a recording that is now in the hands of City.

It's my firm belief that City have compiled a dossier so incendiary, that the Premier League will have no choice but to totally exonerate the Club of any wrongdoing. If they don't, this is going nuclear. Either way, we hold all the cards and this explains why we're so bullish about the eventual outcome. The Premier League are on the back foot, and in my opinion, are currently lobbying the membership as to how best to quietly end the process. I have also been advised that at least one of the "Nasty 9" has had board level discussions with City, distancing themselves from the others in the cabal.

Pep's press conference tells us all we need to know. Watch it again, look at the anger and barely controllable rage in the mans eyes. His attitude wasn't based upon him being reassured about some poxy finances & bullshit charges, it was because he KNOWS exactly what is coming.

Sit back and enjoy the ride Blues.

Wowzers

 

[ricky77]

No. In essence it resets the time to file the claim. Otherwise, you could get away with things by dishonestly concealing them long enough. It is a high hurdle to prove dishonest concealment though

Thanks again mate.

So it’s either the entire case or anything from 2017.

I know what your saying about the concealment being hard to prove.

But it’s the burden of proof in this hearing that worries me As it’s not a criminal court , we could be talking about the balance of probability only ?

 

[slbsn]

Thanks again mate.

So it’s either the entire case or anything from 2017.

I know what your saying about the concealment being hard to prove.

But it’s the burden of proof in this hearing that worries me As it’s not a criminal court , we could be talking about the balance of probability only ?

Correct. But with an emphasis on cogency of evidence in the case of allegations of this seriousness.

 

[Silva2021]

The charges against us are very serious but that is funny. The crouch bit cracked me up. -:)

Love Paddy Power, put in earlier before this when someone mentioned they will take the piss out of us, that even if they do they do it out of everyone.

Crouch is a funny guy

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Have people lost their minds.

This secret recording being used as blackmail story is complete fantasy.

Can we get this thread back on serious comments about the charges we face instead of fucking nonsense about Abu Dhabi secret service recordings !

@Dodge is a reputable poster who I think would know if someone was taking the piss to see if he bit. I suspect that there is no smoke without fire although it's doubtful whether the man on the street will ever know about a recording unless it's ether leaked or some changes come into the game that can't be explained without someone knowing what has gone on behind the scenes. I think we can all agree that we are being reffed differently and whilst a few years ago many people on here thought there was no agenda and people were paranoid most people now agree there is an agenda.

 

[Decepticon]

Make of this what you will, but I've just been privy to some startling information that would blow the lid off PGMOL and the power brokers at the Premier League, if it became public. It involves a recording of a conversation between the match day referee and VAR official at a recent away match, a recording that is now in the hands of City.

It's my firm belief that City have compiled a dossier so incendiary, that the Premier League will have no choice but to totally exonerate the Club of any wrongdoing. If they don't, this is going nuclear. Either way, we hold all the cards and this explains why we're so bullish about the eventual outcome. The Premier League are on the back foot, and in my opinion, are currently lobbying the membership as to how best to quietly end the process. I have also been advised that at least one of the "Nasty 9" has had board level discussions with City, distancing themselves from the others in the cabal.

Pep's press conference tells us all we need to know. Watch it again, look at the anger and barely controllable rage in the mans eyes. His attitude wasn't based upon him being reassured about some poxy finances & bullshit charges, it was because he KNOWS exactly what is coming.

Sit back and enjoy the ride Blues.

Well well fucking well.

 

[terraloon]

They would say they first learned of potential "fraud" in 2018. So had until 2024 to charge ie everything is in time.

Another couple of points worth making

1) The minimum time that copies of contracts is 10 years but as I understand it the 10 year clock starts when the parties are no longer associated
2) Copies of players contract/ managers contracts etc are lodged at the PL/FA

 

[CatMan]

Thanks again mate.

So it’s either the entire case or anything from 2017.

I know what your saying about the concealment being hard to prove.

But it’s the burden of proof in this hearing that worries me As it’s not a criminal court , we could be talking about the balance of probability only ?

Balance of Probability?

There is a well conceived belief that in the 'balance of probability' there is somewhere within the Universe 'alien life'. That said however, and in the 'absence of evidence' to prove otherwise, you cannot say that anyone who claims differently is incorrect!

And that in a nutshell sums this up!

If City can produce audited documentation that proves none of this occurred, then despite any amount of others wanting to believe to the contrary, City will be found innocent; There simply is no legal or viable alternative for the panel, irrespective of who they may support.

 

[wolviedinho]

What can we be charged with next season? Keep the players focused and ready for a fight :-)

 

[dave_blue12]

In what way we're you convinced m8?

It was the veiled threat about ‘others should be careful’. He said something similar about Barcelona and look what a mess they’re in.

 

[Prophet of Doom]

Abu Dhabi secret service recordings? What have you heard bud?

I was simply repeating a ridiculous comment earlier in this thread that ‘it could be true that the owner had employed some intelligence agency to get the recording.

Complete fantasy.

Anybody believing this nonsense should seek help.

 

[Bez]

I found this article useful with regards to the legal approach when dealing with allegations of dishonesty/fraud and balance of probability.

Dishonesty: what is the standard of proof? - Tenet Law

In a recent article, we considered the requirements for pleading dishonesty against a corporate body. The Court of Appeal has recently considered the standard of proof for dishonesty in the case of Bank St Petersburg PJSC v Arkhangelsky [2020] EWCA Civ 408 which resulted in the reversal of the...

tenetlaw.co.uk

It may be of interest to others on this forum.

 

[dave_blue12]

It’s perfectly possible. Thinking back to Camilla-gate and Squidgy-gate and those excruciatingly embarrassing recorded conversations from nearly thirty years ago ! But even if 100% true all it would do is personally damage a few individuals. It wouldn‘t help City defeat the charges laid at their door Or bring down a house of cards. But I would not be surprised if City had some dirt on a range of individuals/organisations gathered in all sorts of ways. Khaldoon’s comment ”when they say something, we know” was pretty clear. I also wouldn’t be surprised if representations (and evidence ) are being made to Government with respect to future regulation.

The thing is if you have enough pieces of the puzzle you can point to a concerted orchestrated attack which seeks to corrupt the competition.

It may not even be necessary to have a huge amount of evidence. If there has been collusion against City behind the scenes then just a little evidence showing you know what they’re up to can be enough.

This is all conjecture but nothing would surprise me.

 

[Centurions]

I was simply repeating a ridiculous comment earlier in this thread that ‘it could be true that the owner had employed some intelligence agency to get the recording.

Complete fantasy.

Anybody believing this nonsense should seek help.

Whoosh...


I'm not in disagreement about the intelligence service nonsense though.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

It’s perfectly possible. Thinking back to Camilla-gate and Squidgy-gate and those excruciatingly embarrassing recorded conversations from nearly thirty years ago ! But even if 100% true all it would do is personally damage a few individuals. It wouldn‘t help City defeat the charges laid at their door Or bring down a house of cards. But I would not be surprised if City had some dirt on a range of individuals/organisations gathered in all sorts of ways. Khaldoon’s comment ”when they say something, we know” was pretty clear. I also wouldn’t be surprised if representations (and evidence ) are being made to Government with respect to future regulation.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/pegasus-spyware-and-citizen-surveillance-what-you-need-to-know/ ???