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Chippy_boy said:
Hmmmmm. I am not so sure. Henry gives the perspective of Henry and how Henry used to play which was never in the style of a big strong centre forward.

For me, Haaland has done enough in his short but phenomenal career so far to justify we should be adapting to him and not the other way around. I don't want to turn him into Harry Kane, dropping deep and linking up play. I am more than happy for him to score 40 per season hanging around the 6 yard box.
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To a point but Haaland also has to adapt his game a bit and he's still learning his position. Aguero adapted without losing his scoring ability. I saw somewhere, not sure where, a comparison with how Benzema will drift out wide or drop and appear in the box unmarked. Of course they were vastly more experienced players, I think he'll adapt and learn with experience to create space for himself.
 
DMA's said:
Henry nails it here imo. Haaland has to do more and isn’t blameless in all of this. He is still very raw and whilst he has some world class attributes I’m not sure he is yet a world class striker.



Henry for me is the best player to ever play in this country I sincerely hope haaland has watched this excellent punditry
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I really like all the analysis in those videos. Very good from Carragher and Henry. Henry’s insight is incredible there. (Richards added absolutely sod all though).

What Carragher analysed is spot on, and we have all been saying it. Time and time again that pass just doesn’t get played to him and it’s criminal at times. The players have all played with him enough now to see that Håland drags the defender deep and turns and runs behind them very well and far far too often that pass just isn’t played.

But Haaland definitely isn’t blameless and he’s got a hell of a lot to learn and improve on. Henry’s analysis of his movement not always being right and needs to learn different ways to make runs and learn to play with our players better, is correct.

Pep also needs to tie this all together and get into the heads of all of them about Haaland’s runs and the way each of them play.

There are also times we play a ball up to Haaland from back four and his control takes the ball ten yards away from where he first touched it. He needs to work on his control a hell of a lot, it’s not good enough!

At other times, from the same long passes from the back, he gets drawn in under the ball and tries to head it down the channels when we have absolutely no players running past him. Who is it he thinks is quickly running down those channels for the flick on?
He needs to use his strength to hold the defender off and take the ball on his chest and wait for support more in those situations.
 
blueparrot said:
To a point but Haaland also has to adapt his game a bit and he's still learning his position. Aguero adapted without losing his scoring ability. I saw somewhere, not sure where, a comparison with how Benzema will drift out wide or drop and appear in the box unmarked. Of course they were vastly more experienced players, I think he'll adapt and learn with experience to create space for himself.
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Maybe, but Haaland is not just your ordinary "good" striker, is he. What's he got to learn when he's scored more goals, in more competitions with a better goal/game ratio at his age, than anyone, ever. You mention Benzema as a reference point?

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I'm not sure he still needs to learn much and I don't want him becoming less effective by being asked to drop deeper and come looking for the ball.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Same old story, really poor when put under any sustained pressure this season.

That's a result of how slow and methodical our tactics are, it leaves us the wrong side of the ball or standing square on when the ball is given up.

We aren't good enough to mount a rearguard action without not conceding.

Eddie was terrible for their equaliser, got caught under the flight of the ball, regardless of Dias being outjumped.

Bernie gives us legs but our midfield this season lacks drive and penetration and he is unable to see a quick pass.

It's why Gundo still stands out when he tried to play quicker or a forward pass, because he and De Bruyne are the only people who are capable of doing it, but they can't cover the ground like they used to.

Haaland must be an astounding pro, because I would have chinned Bernie and others for their reluctance or inability to at least try to find him.

Much more of this, and he will be ran in to the ground or out the door in the next couple of years.

It's a City team which needs a huge injection of drive that can power the team forward.

Walker is finished at the top level and fell to pieces again when asked to defend this season.

We need full backs for both sides, and a hugely creative ball player next to someone like Bellingham.

At the very least, a sub or two from Pep, who doesn't make changes when it is clear the momentum is with the other team, is increasingly apparent this season.
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In other words we're fucked
 
Chippy_boy said:
Maybe, but Haaland is not just your ordinary "good" striker, is he. What's he got to learn when he's scored more goals, in more competitions with a better goal/game ratio at his age, than anyone, ever. You mention Benzema as a reference point?

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I'm not sure he still needs to learn much and I don't want him becoming less effective by being asked to drop deeper and come looking for the ball.
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There’s an example here from that Henry analysis (and I think he’s correct):

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de Bruyne received the ball at that exact moment^ and instead of Haaland making the run towards goal, he tries to run behind the defender:

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So instead of de bruyne having Haaland here to pass to (ignore the graphics):
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He actually ends up here:
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So despite some of our players criminally not finding him with a pass a lot of the time (and I’d say that’s the case 90% of the time), he also doesn’t always make the right runs.

The thing is, he’s got a lot wrong with his game, he hasn’t learnt our style yet, our players haven’t learnt how to play with him yet, he’s still only 22 and he’s still scored 32 goals for us in half a season!
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Same old story, really poor when put under any sustained pressure this season.

That's a result of how slow and methodical our tactics are, it leaves us the wrong side of the ball or standing square on when the ball is given up.

We aren't good enough to mount a rearguard action without not conceding.

Eddie was terrible for their equaliser, got caught under the flight of the ball, regardless of Dias being outjumped.

Bernie gives us legs but our midfield this season lacks drive and penetration and he is unable to see a quick pass.

It's why Gundo still stands out when he tried to play quicker or a forward pass, because he and De Bruyne are the only people who are capable of doing it, but they can't cover the ground like they used to.

Haaland must be an astounding pro, because I would have chinned Bernie and others for their reluctance or inability to at least try to find him.

Much more of this, and he will be ran in to the ground or out the door in the next couple of years.

It's a City team which needs a huge injection of drive that can power the team forward.

Walker is finished at the top level and fell to pieces again when asked to defend this season.

We need full backs for both sides, and a hugely creative ball player next to someone like Bellingham.

At the very least, a sub or two from Pep, who doesn't make changes when it is clear the momentum is with the other team, is increasingly apparent this season.
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Disconcertingly damning - especially from you. But, at the risk of being "appalling", agree most of it.
Did I miss something with Walker? - I actually thought he was ok.
 
pavelsrnicek said:
I think it’s just habit, we haven’t played with a traditional number 9 for a while so we haven’t looked to play those runs except in or around the box. Gundogan, Grealish, Foden, Rodri and Mahrez are all capable of playing those passes, just need to get in the habit again.
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Mahrez used to play balls in behind and over the top to Vardy all day long in that Leicester side.
 
Anybody got the full clip of the handball incident, BT and Humphrey have put out a clip that shows it hit his shoulder but that is the end of the clip, there are no extra 5 seconds to see where the ball goes next.

In my mind, he blatantly slaps the ball with two hands?
 
Pain in the arse after the game as we were kept in for about 30 mins then sent on a long detour around the stadium.
A few older Blues were toiling
Good thing was bogs and food and drunk stalls were kept open
 
unsworthblue said:
Thanks for the ticket mate
Me and the lads are in Berlin at the moment en route to Brussels for the night
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There with the best trips we’ve been on
Safe journey home pal
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No problems I had mine but a lad couldn’t go so sold his for him safe journey home mate
 
Father Paul said:
We were not very good before the break lost to a shit Liverpool and put in a limp performance home to Brentford. What kept us going was the Haaland goals which are now drying up.
The fact we are in a better position to the dippers is I suppose something of a consolation. The team appears to need an urgent revamp and sadly that may also mean a new man at the helm. But football as we know is a strange beast and we could still prosper in the coming months.
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I don't know Father P I thought we were pretty good in Aug to Oct particularly, scoring lots and dominating games. The early rounds of the CL also showed our best side. It was at least entertaining - I do agree the biggest blot was the Brentford at home performance, a shocker for sure.

I cannot be too critical of Pep after what we have witnessed during the last few years although I think his man management of Kev has not had the best of results. Since Pep was a little critical of Kev we have not seen the same risk taking general. Kev had a really bad experience with Belgium and that has effected him a lot. When he clicks the entire team goes into another gear. Kev and Phil's drop off in form is probably the main reason Haaland looks like a square peg in a round hole at the moment.

As you rightly say football is strange and it could change quickly - for that to happen we need both Phil and Kev in better form. I am hopeful this can happen when it matters most. I do agree though we need to revamp our midfield for next year.

I would love to see a midfield three of Kev, Rodri and Jack with a front three of Phil, Erling and Julian that would be exciting to watch.
 
Stoned Rose said:
We had pure chance to counter in the 2nd half last night mate.
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Not saying it never happens, but can't compare it to a Leicester team that was set up just for that. We're lucky if we get one or 2 chances to counter in a game doubt there were any in the Forest game.
 
domalino said:
The problem is that we're not balancing being conservat
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Psychedelic Casual said:
There’s an example here from that Henry analysis (and I think he’s correct):

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de Bruyne received the ball at that exact moment^ and instead of Haaland making the run towards goal, he tries to run behind the defender:

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So instead of de bruyne having Haaland here to pass to (ignore the graphics):
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He actually ends up here:
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So despite some of our players criminally not finding him with a pass a lot of the time (and I’d say that’s the case 90% of the time), he also doesn’t always make the right runs.

The thing is, he’s got a lot wrong with his game, he hasn’t learnt our style yet, our players haven’t learnt how to play with him yet, he’s still only 22 and he’s still scored 32 goals for us in half a season!
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I found that to be an excellent insight, but what I would say is that Henry was right footed and Haaland is left and that does change which direction you are going to move in. Your first instinct will be to get into a position which means you can finish with your stronger foot. Henry would move across the defender so he could use his right foot, Haaland would look for the ball curled round the defender onto his left foot. If the ball was coming from our left hand side he's more likely to make the run Henry is suggesting.

Regardless, we know he needs to be found more. Yes he can improve, but it must be infuriating to be ignored so often and no surprise he doesn't put in as much effort or react as quickly when there is a chance. He's not expecting one!
 
Chippy_boy said:
TBH I didn't enjoy it much. And I don't mean them scoring, which tbh I fully expected and then just though "yep".

I thought our passing and ball retention in the first half was excellent - truly impressive in fact - so I enjoyed that a bit. But I watched and saw what I've seen for weeks now, no real threat, no expectation that we were going to start banging the goals in, or even a goal. Noticeable that our only goal came from their mistake, and yes I know if my aunt had bollocks etc, but were it not for that 1 mistake, we'd have lost.

So overall, tbh, I found it quite boring. This sense that we could play for 3 hours without scoring, just passing it around aimlessly for hour after hour.

In the the 10 minutes when Leipzig were on top, they looked vastly more threatening than we did in the other 80. Fast, dynamic, pacy. Something we just don't do any more. Even when we broke on the counter with Leipzig all out of position, Grealish had a simple through ball to Haaland, but no, stopped on the half way line, stood around a bit and passed it backwards. Predictable, and very very dull.
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Agreed
 
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