North Stand Construction Discussion

[WRicko]

That some one wasn’t me. I told you I didn’t say that. I told you the North stand exterior wouldn’t be the same as the South stand exterior. You said it would be. Let it go and just be happy almost everyone is happy with the proposal.

I don’t get your point

Also we don’t know yet very much about the look in terms of renders which is my point even now that we know it will look very different to the other stand the renders could be the same

 

[Blue Feather]

1 line of segregation as apposed to 2 and better seats for home fans.

They did it in 2008. They sell the tickets next to the away fans last and it is easier to extend for cup games.

Thank you Corky

 

[Edghill OG]

This! I’ve never understood why we are happy for away teams to shoot towards there fans in the second half of every game, we shoot away from our most vocal supporters and allow them an advantage. After all this shit we’ve had recently from other clubs and there supporters we should do everything we can to give ourselves an advantage

Said something similar myself on here before. Just seems like a huge own goal and can't understand why it hasn't been flagged. So simple to rectify too. Presumably the thought process is that it'll get us off to a fast start? A number of games this season we've been guilty of starting off slowly and only waking up after we've conceded though. Even when we have gone one up we've often taken our foot off the gas and not gone all out for the second either- sometimes to our cost. Completely bizarre we don't attack the South Stand second half.

 

[argyle]

They’ve done very well if they can retain hundreds of Blues inside the stadium afterwards.

I’ve attended far too many matches at all levels for years and everyone just always wants to get off. That’ll be a cultural change.

I might be in a minority then as so many times I've wanted to have a drink and some food after the match but around the stadium everything is closed.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

You only have to look at how busy the club shop is after games with tourists and local fans to be fair. Give them somewhere after the game that is family friendly, warm and dry and does decent food and drink and it will be a huge success.

For people who essentially don't need to get home because, as you say, they are tourists anyhow.

Those people are probably staying in city centre for the weekend and in no rush to join the manc commute home.

The issue remains and will continue to do so because thousands of people just want to actually go to the game and go home, without the jumping through hoops which entails getting to and from the stadium for most games, certainly night matches when it also joins the regular rush hour.

And that was without the reduced car parking options...

It's not a flowery tow path, electric charging points for bikes or fancy pints, the fans need.

It's a committed and cohesive transport plan, something this country is absolutely shite at.

 

[Centurions]

Symmetry is generally good is my point but I alsoI like that the plans have added hotel and other facilities and made the stadium different my initial post was before the plans and in response to someone not liking the external of the other stand and hoping this stand was different in terms of external rather than symmetry this is my main point I cannot see it being completely different here other wise it will look odd

Don't take this personally but some punctuation wouldn't go amiss, your posts would make more sense then.

 

[awest]

The original city square idea was to have fans stay behind for a few drinks before jumping on the tram.

 

[Stephen230]

Said something similar myself on here before. Just seems like a huge own goal and can't understand why it hasn't been flagged. So simple to rectify too. Presumably the thought process is that it'll get us off to a fast start? A number of games this season we've been guilty of starting off slowly and only waking up after we've conceded though. Even when we have gone one up we've often taken our foot off the gas and not gone all out for the second either- sometimes to our cost. Completely bizarre we don't attack the South Stand second half.

I don’t tend to bother with such things myself but I’ve heard multiple people say that in interviews etc. numerous players have repeatedly said that as a group they’ve decided they prefer kicking towards the North Stand second half.

 

[blueparrot]

For people who essentially don't need to get home because, as you say, they are tourists anyhow.

Those people are probably staying in city centre for the weekend and in no rush to join the manc commute home.

The issue remains and will continue to do so because thousands of people just want to actually go to the game and go home, without the jumping through hoops which entails getting to and from the stadium for most games, certainly night matches when it also joins the regular rush hour.

And that was without the reduced car parking options...

It's not a flowery tow path, electric charging points for bikes or fancy pints, the fans need.

It's a committed and cohesive transport plan, something this country is absolutely shite at.

To be fair there isn’t a great deal the club can control either with the roads or tram service, maybe a bit of pressure but will the councils transport policy really change that much for maybe 2 hours 25 times a year. The arena might have more influence on that.
What the club can do is try and lessen the traffic a bit by encouraging more people to stay longer, I have started doing that, and increase those walking back to town by making it more pleasant ,but we do play in winter :)
Not sure it will ever get much better than it is now but the improvements may help prevent it getting worse with 7000 more fans. As I’ve said before for me the biggest issue are late 10.00 finishes, they everyone wants to get away straight after the game.

 

[jrb]

Populous, South stand expansion and Tunnel Club.

Nothing about the North stand expansion yet.

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[LongsightM13]

Interesting that those dispensations seem to have been granted in perpetuity- they should be given a time frame to comply. When the Dippers built a new main stand - didn’t anyone at the PL think to mention a large screen? Of course they didnt.

Exactly, it’s purely a financial decision by both clubs not to comply, supported by lapdog police forces

 

[Shaelumstash]

For people who essentially don't need to get home because, as you say, they are tourists anyhow.

Those people are probably staying in city centre for the weekend and in no rush to join the manc commute home.

The issue remains and will continue to do so because thousands of people just want to actually go to the game and go home, without the jumping through hoops which entails getting to and from the stadium for most games, certainly night matches when it also joins the regular rush hour.

And that was without the reduced car parking options...

It's not a flowery tow path, electric charging points for bikes or fancy pints, the fans need.

It's a committed and cohesive transport plan, something this country is absolutely shite at.

This is the rub of it for me.

For people having a big day out, it's fantastic to have these extra facilities. They look incredible, and really something for the club to be proud of.

But the reality is, for the vast majority of our match going fans, it's not a big day out going to the game. It's just part of our everyday routine, we want to get in and get out as quickly as possible.

It used to take me 25 minutes to get to Maine Rd and 25 minutes to get home after. I now live a similar distance away from the Etihad and it's an hour minimum to get there including the walk from the car. An hour and a half for night games. Getting home is an hour at least.

It's become such a hassle that it's sometimes just not always worth it for the impact it has on family and work life.

200 bike stands and some weeding on the tow path is not going to make the blindest bit of difference to the transport issues. But 7k extra fans will. The larger no parking zone will. Just in the opposite direction.

I don't blame the club, I know it's full of the best and brightest minds. I'm sure they're aware that we need a serious joined up transport strategy, but they're at the mercy of the council and the tram / train operators.

There has to be a better transport solution than those proposed. It needs a big idea and possibly big investment. We've got the best team, the best manager, the best executives, the best training ground, we'll have the best stadium if these proposals come off, but we've got a 3rd rate transport solution.

 

[MCFC Wirral]

You only have to look at how busy the club shop is after games with tourists and local fans to be fair. Give them somewhere after the game that is family friendly, warm and dry and does decent food and drink and it will be a huge success.

I sincerely hope so. Personally, I like to be away from the stadium to wind down the emotion of about two hours. The walk, if only to The Halfway House in Clayton, helps clear my head.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

This is the rub of it for me.

For people having a big day out, it's fantastic to have these extra facilities. They look incredible, and really something for the club to be proud of.

But the reality is, for the vast majority of our match going fans, it's not a big day out going to the game. It's just part of our everyday routine, we want to get in and get out as quickly as possible.

It used to take me 25 minutes to get to Maine Rd and 25 minutes to get home after. I now live a similar distance away from the Etihad and it's an hour minimum to get there including the walk from the car. An hour and a half for night games. Getting home is an hour at least.

It's become such a hassle that it's sometimes just not always worth it for the impact it has on family and work life.

200 bike stands and some weeding on the tow path is not going to make the blindest bit of difference to the transport issues. But 7k extra fans will. The larger no parking zone will. Just in the opposite direction.

I don't blame the club, I know it's full of the best and brightest minds. I'm sure they're aware that we need a serious joined up transport strategy, but they're at the mercy of the council and the tram / train operators.

There has to be a better transport solution than those proposed. It needs a big idea and possibly big investment. We've got the best team, the best manager, the best executives, the best training ground, we'll have the best stadium if these proposals come off, but we've got a 3rd rate transport solution.

Great post. Reality is the vast majority of our match going fans don’t want to stay around the stadium for a couple of hours after a match. Most just want to get home. It’s a great option to have, but Im not fussed either way about that element

It’s before the game I’d think most fans would be using it

 

[blueparrot]

Great post. Reality is the vast majority of our match going fans don’t want to stay around the stadium for a couple of hours after a match. Most just want to get home. It’s a great option to have, but Im not fussed either way about that element

Thing is we don’t need the majority to stay just more than do now. Provide the right environment with sit in eating drinking facilities maybe showing later games and more will stay, after all I see a lot in the eateries in town straight after a game. Will most be match day fans, hate the tourist tag seems a bit sneery to me, of course they will, but also a fair few will be regulars too.

 

[Edghill OG]

I don’t tend to bother with such things myself but I’ve heard multiple people say that in interviews etc. numerous players have repeatedly said that as a group they’ve decided they prefer kicking towards the North Stand second half.

Don't necessarily agree with it but if that's what the players prefer then fine. Thanks for the explanation as it's been puzzling me for some time.

Hopefully they don't switch to the South Stand after the expansion.

 

[pride in battle]

I don't think it's going to be that simple mate.

They're expanding the capacity by 7k. There is only room for 3k at the new City Plaza or whatever it will be called.

So assuming we sell out, it's a minimum of an extra 4k trying to bundle on to trams, buses, cars etc to get out. And that's if City Plaza is operating at full capacity!

Even if we don't sell a single extra ticket, 3k staying for a post match beer isn't going to make the slightest dent into the 55k regulars trying to get home after the match.

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I don't think it's going to be that simple mate.

They're expanding the capacity by 7k. There is only room for 3k at the new City Plaza or whatever it will be called.

So assuming we sell out, it's a minimum of an extra 4k trying to bundle on to trams, buses, cars etc to get out. And that's if City Plaza is operating at full capacity!

Even if we don't sell a single extra ticket, 3k staying for a post match beer isn't going to make the slightest dent into the 55k regulars trying to get home after the match.

That wasn't the discussion mate, wether it would help with the queueing etc, it was wether hundreds of City fans would stay after the game for a pint in the NEW City Square, they will, it won't alleviate the traffic but people will definitely stay for a pint rather than sit in a traffic jam for an hour...

 

[HelloCity]

Here’s the render of the final expansion 20 years from now.

 

[pride in battle]

I might be in a minority then as so many times I've wanted to have a drink and some food after the match but around the stadium everything is closed.

Of course they will, the new City Square will be state of the art and thousands will want to go :)

 

[pride in battle]

Great post. Reality is the vast majority of our match going fans don’t want to stay around the stadium for a couple of hours after a match. Most just want to get home. It’s a great option to have, but Im not fussed either way about that element

It’s before the game I’d think most fans would be using it

Really ???