Suella Braverman - sacked as Home Secretary (p394)

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mexico1970 said:
I haven't once said that I have a problem with refugees staying in a hotel, as long as if they fail asylum they are removed.
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That isn’t the problem though is it. The problem is we aren’t processing the asylum seekers. If the figure of 75% of applications are approved is correct. Then we are only taliking about what happens to 10,000 a year.
The government are therefore talking about detaining and removing 30000 genuine cases without any hearing,to distract from their own incompetance. Thats wrong.
 
mexico1970 said:
Do you believe in passports?
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I do not believe in them, they are a reality in todays world. They have existed for a long time (thanks Wiki) The first recorded prototype of a passport dates to 450 BC, when Nehemiah, serving as an official to the Persian King Artaxerxes I, wished to visit his ancestral homeland of Judea, and the king issued him a letter “to the governors beyond the river,” asking that he be granted safe passage to travel and ultimately return to Persia.
mexico1970 said:
Do you believe in controlled immigration?
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Yes I believe in that, though it is not so simple. We have obligations under Treaty Law to accept asylum seekers, they are not immigrants. The Government quite rightly set up schemes to help people from Ukraine and Hong Kong, yet they refuse to remove international students from immigration figures which keeps them artificially high. The Tories are also quite happy for the rich to apply for UK passports and even put one of them in the House of Lords.
mexico1970 said:
Are you an open border advocate?
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No.
 
Rascal said:
I do not believe in them, they are a reality in todays world. They have existed for a long time (thanks Wiki) The first recorded prototype of a passport dates to 450 BC, when Nehemiah, serving as an official to the Persian King Artaxerxes I, wished to visit his ancestral homeland of Judea, and the king issued him a letter “to the governors beyond the river,” asking that he be granted safe passage to travel and ultimately return to Persia.

Yes I believe in that, though it is not so simple. We have obligations under Treaty Law to accept asylum seekers, they are not immigrants. The Government quite rightly set up schemes to help people from Ukraine and Hong Kong, yet they refuse to remove international students from immigration figures which keeps them artificially high. The Tories are also quite happy for the rich to apply for UK passports and even put one of them in the House of Lords.

No.
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Thanks for the reply Rascal, there isn't that much I would disagree with there mate.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Its not illegal to come. Read the facts

www.refugee-action.org.uk

Facts about refugees and asylum seekers

What's the difference between a refugee and an asylum seeker? Should people claim asylum in the first safe country they reach? We answer some of the most frequently asked questions about refugees.
www.refugee-action.org.uk www.refugee-action.org.uk
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It bloody well must be illegal if they turn up in a rubber boat on the South Coast and try to avoid passport control and immigration.
 
Gray said:
It bloody well must be illegal if they turn up in a rubber boat on the South Coast and try to avoid passport control and immigration.
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bluethrunthru said:
Its not illegal to come. Read the facts

www.refugee-action.org.uk

Facts about refugees and asylum seekers

What's the difference between a refugee and an asylum seeker? Should people claim asylum in the first safe country they reach? We answer some of the most frequently asked questions about refugees.
www.refugee-action.org.uk www.refugee-action.org.uk
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No point wasting your time giving facts to people they would rather believe the Daily Mail etc
 
Gray said:
It bloody well must be illegal if they turn up in a rubber boat on the South Coast and try to avoid passport control and immigration.
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It is. Except they have a complete defence to those immigration crimes as long as they present themselves to the authorities without delay and have a valid asylum claim accepted.

Refugees may never have had genuine passports in their own name, in certain countries, persecuted minorities and dissidents may have difficulty obtaining them.
 
BobKowalski said:
Says it all really. Politics as theatre with no intention of solving the problem and inciting race hate to win votes. Squalid and dishonest. But that’s Tories for you.
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Massive distraction to all the other shit this bunch of underhand, dishonest, spiteful, rascist, entitled, inept charlatans have piled upon us for the last 13 years.
 
for all those wanting for it to be illegal imagine there was major civil unrest in the UK or a nuclear accident bigger then Chernobyl. Wouldn't they try to get themselves and their families abroad to a place of safety? Then imagine if they were trying to get to France or the Netherlands who's population campaigned to keep them out claiming what they were doing was illegal so their govt's locked them in hotels and a few months later deported them to a safe 3rd country - say Gabon for example. Surely that would be fair?
 
From the FT.

A leading Conservative business figure has quit the party after almost 40 years, citing the party’s alleged “f*** business” attitude and willingness to put vulnerable groups on the front line of a culture war. Iain Anderson, founder of the Cicero public relations group and named “LGBT business champion” in Boris Johnson’s government in September 2021, said he was switching his support to Labour.

Key to his decision to abandon the Tories now is his belief, based on discussions with party insiders, that Prime Minister Rishi Sunak will ramp up the so-called culture wars as a central part of his 2024 election strategy. “It was made pretty clear the plan is to run a culture war to distract from fundamental economic failings,” Anderson said. “It’s not something I want any part of.”
 
bluethrunthru said:
for all those wanting for it to be illegal imagine there was major civil unrest in the UK or a nuclear accident bigger then Chernobyl. Wouldn't they try to get themselves and their families abroad to a place of safety? Then imagine if they were trying to get to France or the Netherlands who's population campaigned to keep them out claiming what they were doing was illegal so their govt's locked them in hotels and a few months later deported them to a safe 3rd country - say Gabon for example. Surely that would be fair?
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If I had managed to get to France I wouldn't be risking my life trying to get to Holland even though I would prefer to live there.

Poor analogy I'm afraid.
 
bluethrunthru said:
for all those wanting for it to be illegal imagine there was major civil unrest in the UK or a nuclear accident bigger then Chernobyl. Wouldn't they try to get themselves and their families abroad to a place of safety? Then imagine if they were trying to get to France or the Netherlands who's population campaigned to keep them out claiming what they were doing was illegal so their govt's locked them in hotels and a few months later deported them to a safe 3rd country - say Gabon for example. Surely that would be fair?
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There wouldn't have to be civil unrest the way this Government is going.

Niemoller's poem is evocative in that regard.

As a leftist I might have to seek political asylum.
 
hilts said:
If I had managed to get to France I wouldn't be risking my life trying to get to Holland even though I would prefer to live there.

Poor analogy I'm afraid.
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poor answer - you wouldn't be staying in France - you'd be interned then flown to Gabon with no right of appeal
 
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