PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[cheekybids]

Yup, I can believe a confession. I just dont belie4ve betting sydicates have organised for City to win the PL for the last 5 years.... When they could make fulham win it at 4500/1 odds. Thats the (Quite massive) sort of thing thats says bollocks. The sort of thing that you guys just wash away and ignore. Its the selective nature of it.

But its ok, its only yourselves you're hurting, this is keeping me entertained until I have to go and paint a ceiling later on.

I don’t believe the betting syndicates scenarios I believe referees don’t follow the laws of the game either conscious bias / media bias / risk & reward. I only responded when a professional gave a clear example of this which is consistent to how the referee behaved in his career. It’s also consistent with how other referees behave.

So neither of us believe in Blowfell type characters plotting corruption but that doesn’t mean that there isn’t cheating occurring.

 

[aguero93:20]

Let's start with a simple one - Do you think Princess Diana was murdered?

Yep. Classic life insurance scam. That and she wanted to escape from the lizard people.

 

[NZBlue]

Yep. Classic life insurance scam. That and she wanted to escape from the lizard people.

I see what you did there. Charles was Duke of Cornwall and The Lizard is in Cornwall. Very subliminal:-)

 

[greenman]

Is this shit still going on? Thought pannick was too busy getting laughing at Boris.

 

[JGL07]

And finished 13th the season after.

But did manage to win the FA Cup!

 

[Norbiton]

But did manage to win the FA Cup!

Only won one of the first ten league games in 68-69, a repeat of winning the league and then getting relegated looked like a possibility!

 

[jim tolmies perm]

The thing about conspiracy theories, is that some of them are right, at least in part, the problem is the people that are most inclined to believe them are usually incapable of applying facts and logic to the theory, especially if it’s a juicy one.

They let their hearts rule their heads too readily, because they so want it to be true, principally for reasons of self-vindication.

Too many people would need to be in on this to make it remotely plausible.

The PEDs thing, maybe I guess, but the notion that there was a widespread conspiracy to make Leicester win the league that year from before a ball was kicked descends into the realms of the absurd.

Yep ..and throw in the sadly ever rising tide of mental health issues and you have a highly volatile cocktail of societal instability ready to be unleashed...

 

[halfcenturyup]

Only won one of the first ten league games in 68-69, a repeat of winning the league and then getting relegated looked like a possibility!

Probably still had a hangover ....

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

It really has not, weird things happen is all sports including shock winners and losers for that matter.

Who would have believed Wigan would beat us in the cup final, they did, no conspiracy, no shenanigan's, just the fact only one team turned up.

Your belief in the honesty and integrity of football would be quite touching if it wasn't so completely and utterly naive, and in the face of significant evidence to the contrary.

 

[Centurions]

Obviously not. The whole Paris thing was a fake, with both Diana and Dodi given new identities and in fact are still living a life of bliss together with their 5 children on the Caribbean island of Dominica.

With Robert Maxwell living on one side of them and Lord Lucan on the other who rides around on Shergar.

I know for a fact that the above is true as the guy behind the counter at our local chippy told me. He was very shook up about it all.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Yep ..and throw in the sadly ever rising tide of mental health issues and you have a highly volatile cocktail of societal instability ready to be unleashed...

I am definitely feeling that 1981 vibe. Huge drugs problems, football hooliganism, toxic politics, feeble (and crooked) police. If we get a hot summer it could get very lively. I quit the country last time but I fear I am too old to escape this time.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

But did manage to win the FA Cup!

Didn’t do too bad the year after either!

 

[Keeper!]

Your belief in the honesty and integrity of football would be quite touching if it wasn't so completely and utterly naive, and in the face of significant evidence to the contrary.

I never said football was honest, it never has been and never will be, I simply don't believe in the conspiracy's that are peddled out on here.

And what evidence are you describing.

 

[Benzino]

The thing about conspiracy theories, is that some of them are right, at least in part, the problem is the people that are most inclined to believe them are usually incapable of applying facts and logic to the theory, especially if it’s a juicy one.

They let their hearts rule their heads too readily, because they so want it to be true, principally for reasons of self-vindication.

Too many people would need to be in on this to make it remotely plausible.

The PEDs thing, maybe I guess, but the notion that there was a widespread conspiracy to make Leicester win the league that year from before a ball was kicked descends into the realms of the absurd.

What if some conspiracy theories are implanted by lunatics to make the plausable ones also seem crazy? How is it that the British media all sing from the same hymn sheet on absolutely everything. Be it sport, be it politics, everything is the same. Do you not find that odd? Shouldn’t one media outlet have a different opinion on some things? Especially when it comes to the big things, they all sing the exact same song….

I know people who work in the media, and they tell some dark stories about what they can and can’t say. For some people, that’s far too scary to imagine and I wouldn’t mind if people would rather live in a bubble.

The image of a conspiracy theorist is one of crazy tin foil hat, but I believe most of people you would call a conspiracy theorist are actually the ones trying to apply logic and scepticism, to things the media and government tell them.

You have nutters like Alex Jones and David Ike talking utter nonsense, and it does a great job of throwing peoples minds in another direction. But logical people are the ones who will look at every incident separately and if there’s more than one coincidence, it usually means there’s foul play involved, that’s how the top investigators in the police work anyway.

With the Leicester thing, you’ve got like 10 facts which don’t make sense in football, and it could all just be a coincidence, but like I say when you use logic, more than one coincidence should raise suspicion when thinking logically.

 

[Benzino]

It really has not, weird things happen is all sports including shock winners and losers for that matter.

Who would have believed Wigan would beat us in the cup final, they did, no conspiracy, no shenanigan's, just the fact only one team turned up.

Yeah weird things happen, like Lance Armstrong winning multiple tour de Frances. Or an ex UFC fighter outing major sport stars who broke records, for doing multiple PEDs.

 

[Dribble]

I am definitely feeling that 1981 vibe. Huge drugs problems, football hooliganism, toxic politics, feeble (and crooked) police. If we get a hot summer it could get very lively. I quit the country last time but I fear I am too old to escape this time.

Surely you're not claiming the Tories are the common denominator?

 

[Xhavenjoe]

With Robert Maxwell living on one side of them and Lord Lucan on the other who rides around on Shergar.

I know for a fact that the above is true as the guy behind the counter at our local chippy told me. He was very shook up about it all.

Very shook up.
He must be Elvis

 

[Keeper!]

Yeah weird things happen, like Lance Armstrong winning multiple tour de Frances. Or an ex UFC fighter outing major sport stars who broke records, for doing multiple PEDs.

I don't believe for one moment a vast majority of top sports stars take some form of enhancement drugs, including our own I might add.

But that's not a conspiracy, just cheating.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

What if some conspiracy theories are implanted by lunatics to make the plausable ones also seem crazy? How is it that the British media all sing from the same hymn sheet on absolutely everything. Be it sport, be it politics, everything is the same. Do you not find that odd? Shouldn’t one media outlet have a different opinion on some things? Especially when it comes to the big things, they all sing the exact same song…. I know people who work in the media, and they tell some dark stories about what they can and can’t say. For some people, that’s far too scary to imagine and I wouldn’t mind if people would rather live in a bubble. The image of a conspiracy theorist is one of crazy tin foil hat, but I believe most of people you would call a conspiracy theorist are actually the ones trying to apply logic and scepticism, to things the media and government tell them. You have nutters like Alex Jones and David Ike talking utter nonsense, and it does a great job of throwing peoples minds in another direction. But logical people are the ones who will look at every incident separately and if there’s more than one coincidence, it usually means there’s foul play involved, that’s how the top investigators in the police work anyway. So with the Leicester thing, you’ve got like 10 facts which don’t make sense in football, and it could all just be a coincidence, but like I say when you use logic, more than one coincidence should raise suspicion when thinking logically.

Notwithstanding the conspicuous lack of paragraphs that makes your post unnecessarily hard to follow, you make some worthwhile points about the media and the world we live in - which is unquestionably venal - as it always will be when human beings are involved, but that doesn’t make the notion that there was a widespread conspiracy involving (inter alia) the game’s authorities, the media and the playing staff and management at Leicester to make them Champions in 2016/17 before a ball was kicked that season, anything other than extremely unlikely.

Too many actors, too many variables, too many extraneous factors to make the desired outcome likely enough to justify the effort and risk. For such a theory to be true, the protagonists would have needed to have exercised control over the number of points City, Chelsea, Spurs et al garnered, which simply doesn’t bear any objective scrutiny.

There is nothing wrong with displaying scepticism towards what the powerful tell us. Quite the opposite. It is a healthy and sensible place to occupy, but I’m afraid that’s a non-sequitur to theories that are so unlikely as to render them absurd, as I believe any notion that there was a operational plan in effect to make Leicester PL champions in the summer of 2016 in order to win huge sums on betting on the outcome. It simply doesn’t stand up to logical analysis.

I can accept (whilst not necessarily agree with) ancillary arguments around favourable decisions and PEDs once the season was underway, but that isn’t remotely the same thing.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Notwithstanding the conspicuous lack of paragraphs that makes your post unnecessarily hard to follow, you make some worthwhile points about the media and the world we live in - which is unquestionably venal - as it always will be when human beings are involved, but that doesn’t make the notion that there was a widespread conspiracy involving (inter alia) the game’s authorities, the media and the playing staff and management at Leicester to make them Champions in 2016/17 before a ball was kicked that season, anything other than extremely unlikely.

Too many actors, too many variables, too many extraneous factors to make the desired outcome likely enough to justify the effort and risk. For such a theory to be true, the protagonists would have needed to have exercised control over the number of points City, Chelsea, Spurs et al garnered, which simply doesn’t bear any objective scrutiny.

There is nothing wrong with displaying scepticism towards what the powerful tell us. Quite the opposite. It is a healthy and sensible place to occupy, but I’m afraid that’s a non-sequitur to theories that are so unlikely as to render them absurd, as I believe any notion that there was a operational plan in effect to make Leicester PL champions in the summer of 2016 in order to win huge sums on betting on the outcome. It simply doesn’t stand up to logical analysis.

I can accept (whilst not necessarily agree with) ancillary arguments around favourable decisions and PEDs once the season was underway, but that isn’t remotely the same thing.

Which is fine. A few people may believe that the season was fixed from the get-go, a few may believe there wasn't any thing unusual at all about it, but I would guess most will just think there was something highly unusual about where Leicester came from, their performance that year and where they have gone since. We all have our theories I suppose, but while we shouldn't be encouraging the more extreme theories, we shouldn't be applauding those who put them down without a second thought, either. As always, the truth will be somewhere in the middle I imagine.

Btw, just adding to your point, not criticising. You have been very reasonable in your thought process, as always m'Lud.