Today's shooting in America thread

FogBlueInSanFran said:
You’re right — they won’t have disappeared. That’s precisely the point. They can’t ever disappear because, as all and sundry are so fond of telling us, criminals will always try to get guns.

But non-criminals don’t have to buy them. If non-criminals decide not to, what happens to legal demand? Ask tobacco companies — and they sell a physically addictive product — even harder to give up than guns!

I’m not saying all smokers nor gun owners are bad, at all. But fixing the problem STARTS with gunowners. It’s starts by sacrificing your “freedom” to own — to do something that benefits you and you only — for the greater good.

That’s how nearly all positive change in the world starts, isn’t it? Someone sacrificing themselves for the greater good? Sacrificing a little safety, a little peace of mind?

No gunowner I know looks at it this way.

They should start.
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The problem, of course, is that me giving up my firearms, which are a threat to no-one, is a fart in a tornado.

As to me sacrificing a little safety, I feel like I do that every time I go outside into a gun soaked society without a firearm…which I do every day.

I have Concealed Carry, but unless there is a compelling reason, I don’t carry. For instance, most stores and restaurants in IL can put a “Firearms prohibited” sticker in the window, so if I’m doing either thing, I don’t carry.

Idealistic as it may be, voluntarily relinquishing one’s weapons is not only not THE answer, it’s not AN answer.

Chicken meet egg, I guess, to some, but I honestly feel no-one has anything to fear from my firearms, and until the law changes dramatically, nothing is going to change for me.

I will always maintain lawful ownership, unless and until the laws reflect a serious change that makes my 99.9999% non-threat firearms of significantly lower personal utility.
 
For anyone that cares to attempt a greater understanding of America’s marination in guns, to include the whys and wherefores…

www.pewresearch.org

The demographics of gun ownership

Understanding gun ownership in America is not as simple as knowing who does and does not own a gun. Some Americans who don’t personally own guns live with
www.pewresearch.org www.pewresearch.org
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
No offence taken.

My issue is guns, full stop.

I'd imagine if we also added up all the deaths from guns in America over the course of a year, the majority would be handguns from robberies, police shootouts and gang related?

My argument is that these pricks wanting to shoot up kids in schools will do it regardless of their weapon of choice.

A mass shooting in America is defined by a lower number than most would expect?

One too many for me when it comes to innocent kids.

If some people want to ban AR15s, others will just buy the next best option.

If Congress were somehow able to implement such a ban, I still fail to see how they enforce it to round up all the AR15s in circulation.

A brilliant country, some brilliant people, but still a baby and many making infantile choices.
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"A brilliant country, some brilliant people, but still a baby and many making infantile choices."

Was a brilliant country, now seemingly a country totally out of control and going down fast, much like our own.
 
Left vs right…do you lot not have enough fucking threads to bore everyone to fucking tears on with your usual shite?
 
The problem with the US is they’ll never make a moral decision over wealth. The guns made & sold in the US cause misery not just in their country but the rest of the America’s.

Whoever does the lobbying on behalf of Gun manufacturers & whoever listens to the lobbyists on behalf of the Government, you are a bunch of cunts with blood on your hands.
 
Since 2A was ratified in 1791, these 27 words have caused so much pain and suffering to so many innocent people:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

As the ink was drying on the paper, the Founding Fathers could never in their wildest dreams imagined the capabilities of modern firearms, and that 230 years later, a single unregulated, untrained, unhinged individual could kill so many people in so little time.

There is certainly nothing remotely 'well regulated militia' about any of those cosplay Lara Croft type dickheads, nor would many people be willing to stand on the line and defend their State against the tyranny of the Federal Government should it ever come to that.

An AMENDMENT to the Constitution that was ratified over 230 years ago, and never since amended?

It makes ZERO sense.
 
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Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Since 2A was ratified in 1791, these 27 words have caused so much pain and suffering to so many innocent people:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

As the ink was drying on the paper, the Founding Fathers could never in their wildest dreams imagined the capabilities of modern firearms, and that 230 years later, a single unregulated, untrained, unhinged individual could kill so many people in so little time.

There is certainly nothing remotely 'well regulated militia' about any of those cosplay Lara Croft type dickheads, nor would many people be willing to stand on the line and defend their State against the tyranny of the Federal Government should it ever come to that.

An AMENDMENT to the Constitution that was ratified over 230 years ago, and never since amended?

It makes ZERO sense.
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Perhaps only being able to hold and use the weapons available at the time the 2nd amendment was writren would be the way forward.
This coulld be amendment 2 clause (i).
This would satisfy all concerned surely....?!
 
Grassland Blue said:
Perhaps only being able to hold and use the weapons available at the time the 2nd amendment was writren would be the way forward.
This coulld be amendment 2 clause (i).
This would satisfy all concerned surely....?!
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Or even the weapons available at an era of history with an equivalent level of social advancement as the gun nuts, then they could hit each other with rocks to their hearts' content.
 
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Slipper One said:
Well, I enjoy my guns and I find my Beretta O/U a thing of beauty.

I also enjoy my garden and growing things, especially my vegetables, I find it very rewarding and satisfying.

However, I don't enjoy my efforts being destroyed by squirrels, so my shotgun deals with any that happen to stray onto the estate. We also have too many crows, so I'll pop some off to squawk to their hearts content in Crow Heaven. I've come to tolerate the very few rabbits I have around, but again, if they keep up their end of the bargain and don't damage my veggies, then I'll not put them in my sights. The moment they do, they are done!! I have a skunk mooching around the place and he doesn't cause me any problems, although he'll make a huge mess of my lawn in the spring digging up grubs. I can tolerate that as a trade off, it will repair.

We're presently in lambing season and coyotes are a viscous killer, a sheep or lamb hasn't a chance against them. The Maremma do a wonderful job guarding the flock, but if the coyote pack has real designs on mutton, then they are hard pressed to stop an attack.

There's no issue at the moment and eliminating the pack would only bring in new animals to take up the territory and it's perhaps better the devil you know, than the devil you don't.

They are certainly there and very aware of the sheep and unfortunately some poor defenceless animal will have to suffer an awful death first, because it's probably only a matter of time. A rifle will do an admirable job on a coyote.

I also enjoy target shooting out into the field up to 220 yards with the .22, just to keep my eye in.

Personally, I have no interest in shooting deer, moose, bear or turkeys etc, although I do acknowledge that it is important to keep control on the numbers and government wildlife management ensures this using a tag method for hunters.



No humans were harmed in the writing of this.
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Well this explains a lot. People like you are the reason there's still so much resistance to change. I suppose killing a few crows and admiring your "thing of beauty" killer are more important than the lives of schoolchilden.
 
Slipper One said:
Well, I enjoy my guns and I find my Beretta O/U a thing of beauty.

I also enjoy my garden and growing things, especially my vegetables, I find it very rewarding and satisfying.

However, I don't enjoy my efforts being destroyed by squirrels, so my shotgun deals with any that happen to stray onto the estate. We also have too many crows, so I'll pop some off to squawk to their hearts content in Crow Heaven. I've come to tolerate the very few rabbits I have around, but again, if they keep up their end of the bargain and don't damage my veggies, then I'll not put them in my sights. The moment they do, they are done!! I have a skunk mooching around the place and he doesn't cause me any problems, although he'll make a huge mess of my lawn in the spring digging up grubs. I can tolerate that as a trade off, it will repair.

We're presently in lambing season and coyotes are a viscous killer, a sheep or lamb hasn't a chance against them. The Maremma do a wonderful job guarding the flock, but if the coyote pack has real designs on mutton, then they are hard pressed to stop an attack.

There's no issue at the moment and eliminating the pack would only bring in new animals to take up the territory and it's perhaps better the devil you know, than the devil you don't.

They are certainly there and very aware of the sheep and unfortunately some poor defenceless animal will have to suffer an awful death first, because it's probably only a matter of time. A rifle will do an admirable job on a coyote.

I also enjoy target shooting out into the field up to 220 yards with the .22, just to keep my eye in.

Personally, I have no interest in shooting deer, moose, bear or turkeys etc, although I do acknowledge that it is important to keep control on the numbers and government wildlife management ensures this using a tag method for hunters.



No humans were harmed in the writing of this.
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If you have access to some deer you should try it, delish ! Especially if you have White tail up there
 
Blue and true said:
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Well this explains a lot. People like you are the reason there's still so much resistance to change. I suppose killing a few crows and admiring your "thing of beauty" killer are more important than the lives of schoolchilden.
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As I've said before, (if you'd care to read and understand), we have a large gun ownership with strong gun control, yet we don't go around killing school children.

The vast majority of gun related deaths in this country are from gang violence and no amount of laws and regulations will change that. Purchasing hand guns has now been banned, but it won't reduce gun deaths, because there is a constant stream of guns smuggled across the border. Banning hand guns for the regular Joe is not the answer, investment in combatting the porous border is.


The question is, why is it so prevalent in the US and not throughout the world where there is also gun ownership?
 
Slipper One said:
As I've said before, (if you'd care to read and understand), we have a large gun ownership with strong gun control, yet we don't go around killing school children.

The vast majority of gun related deaths in this country are from gang violence and no amount of laws and regulations will change that. Purchasing hand guns has now been banned, but it won't reduce gun deaths, because there is a constant stream of guns smuggled across the border. Banning hand guns for the regular Joe is not the answer, investment in combatting the porous border is.


The question is, why is it so prevalent in the US and not throughout the world where there is also gun ownership?
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I didn't realize that the school shooters were members of gangs, got their guns from gangs or bought them from gun smugglers.
 
If pretty much every house in the US has a gun, maybe (I know this is not at all realistic) they should simply stop making and selling guns for the public. It doesn't make anything better but it's a step in the direction without impacting the second amendment rights.

Also .... let them eat cake.
 
TonyM said:
I didn't realize that the school shooters were members of gangs, got their guns from gangs or bought them from gun smugglers.
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And where do the gang members get guns, a lot are stolen from legal owners. Or dropped off in Compton by the government.
 
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