Today's shooting in America thread

[ChicagoBlue]

You’re right — they won’t have disappeared. That’s precisely the point. They can’t ever disappear because, as all and sundry are so fond of telling us, criminals will always try to get guns.

But non-criminals don’t have to buy them. If non-criminals decide not to, what happens to legal demand? Ask tobacco companies — and they sell a physically addictive product — even harder to give up than guns!

I’m not saying all smokers nor gun owners are bad, at all. But fixing the problem STARTS with gunowners. It’s starts by sacrificing your “freedom” to own — to do something that benefits you and you only — for the greater good.

That’s how nearly all positive change in the world starts, isn’t it? Someone sacrificing themselves for the greater good? Sacrificing a little safety, a little peace of mind?

No gunowner I know looks at it this way.

They should start.

The problem, of course, is that me giving up my firearms, which are a threat to no-one, is a fart in a tornado.

As to me sacrificing a little safety, I feel like I do that every time I go outside into a gun soaked society without a firearm…which I do every day.

I have Concealed Carry, but unless there is a compelling reason, I don’t carry. For instance, most stores and restaurants in IL can put a “Firearms prohibited” sticker in the window, so if I’m doing either thing, I don’t carry.

Idealistic as it may be, voluntarily relinquishing one’s weapons is not only not THE answer, it’s not AN answer.

Chicken meet egg, I guess, to some, but I honestly feel no-one has anything to fear from my firearms, and until the law changes dramatically, nothing is going to change for me.

I will always maintain lawful ownership, unless and until the laws reflect a serious change that makes my 99.9999% non-threat firearms of significantly lower personal utility.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

For anyone that cares to attempt a greater understanding of America’s marination in guns, to include the whys and wherefores…

1. The demographics of gun ownership

Understanding gun ownership in America is not as simple as knowing who does and does not own a gun. Some Americans who don’t personally own guns live with

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Keeper!]

No offence taken.

My issue is guns, full stop.

I'd imagine if we also added up all the deaths from guns in America over the course of a year, the majority would be handguns from robberies, police shootouts and gang related?

My argument is that these pricks wanting to shoot up kids in schools will do it regardless of their weapon of choice.

A mass shooting in America is defined by a lower number than most would expect?

One too many for me when it comes to innocent kids.

If some people want to ban AR15s, others will just buy the next best option.

If Congress were somehow able to implement such a ban, I still fail to see how they enforce it to round up all the AR15s in circulation.

A brilliant country, some brilliant people, but still a baby and many making infantile choices.

"A brilliant country, some brilliant people, but still a baby and many making infantile choices."

Was a brilliant country, now seemingly a country totally out of control and going down fast, much like our own.

 

[blueinsa]

Left vs right…do you lot not have enough fucking threads to bore everyone to fucking tears on with your usual shite?

 

[Cheesy]

The sad fact is that the death of a few kids is a price worth paying for the gun nuts right to bear arms.

They truly do not give a fuck.

 

[cheekybids]

The problem with the US is they’ll never make a moral decision over wealth. The guns made & sold in the US cause misery not just in their country but the rest of the America’s.

Whoever does the lobbying on behalf of Gun manufacturers & whoever listens to the lobbyists on behalf of the Government, you are a bunch of cunts with blood on your hands.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Since 2A was ratified in 1791, these 27 words have caused so much pain and suffering to so many innocent people:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

As the ink was drying on the paper, the Founding Fathers could never in their wildest dreams imagined the capabilities of modern firearms, and that 230 years later, a single unregulated, untrained, unhinged individual could kill so many people in so little time.

There is certainly nothing remotely 'well regulated militia' about any of those cosplay Lara Croft type dickheads, nor would many people be willing to stand on the line and defend their State against the tyranny of the Federal Government should it ever come to that.

An AMENDMENT to the Constitution that was ratified over 230 years ago, and never since amended?

It makes ZERO sense.

 

[Gabriel]

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Left vs right…do you lot not have enough fucking threads to bore everyone to fucking tears on with your usual shite?

You should start a thread about it!

 

[Grassland Blue]

Since 2A was ratified in 1791, these 27 words have caused so much pain and suffering to so many innocent people:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

As the ink was drying on the paper, the Founding Fathers could never in their wildest dreams imagined the capabilities of modern firearms, and that 230 years later, a single unregulated, untrained, unhinged individual could kill so many people in so little time.

There is certainly nothing remotely 'well regulated militia' about any of those cosplay Lara Croft type dickheads, nor would many people be willing to stand on the line and defend their State against the tyranny of the Federal Government should it ever come to that.

An AMENDMENT to the Constitution that was ratified over 230 years ago, and never since amended?

It makes ZERO sense.

Perhaps only being able to hold and use the weapons available at the time the 2nd amendment was writren would be the way forward.
This coulld be amendment 2 clause (i).
This would satisfy all concerned surely....?!