Keir Starmer

domalino said:
And of course the guy who thinks Starmer is the biggest **** in politics likes @Rascal’s post complaining that no one ever says Starmer is worse than the tories.
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Too be fair there was a lot more depth to Russ's post than that and a lot to like. The fact that you are ranting about one post kind of proves his point.
 
Postman Pep said:
Too be fair there was a lot more depth to Russ's post than that and a lot to like. The fact that you are ranting about one post kind of proves his point.
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No his post boiled down to the same thing he says in every comment. He thinks he’s “the left” and you’re scum if you’re not in the exact same boat. He’d rather Labour stayed out of power forever while the tories burn the country to the ground than the party actually makes itself electable to the British electorate - and if you dare to think differently then you’re unprincipled and don’t care about truth.


The man couldn’t even get to the end of a comment pretending to be upset at the idea of someone thinking he says labour are worse than the tories without declaring that he hates centrists as much as tories.
 
metalblue said:
I was referring to the Corbyn situation. I do like the arrogance though, “we’ll do what we want…we’ll do what we want…we’re twenty points ahead ….we’ll do what we want”
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Starmer needs to keep policy close to his chest.
I think the situation regarding Corbyn is that to appeal to floating voters, he has to distance himself from the previous leadership. On the face of it this can appear to be a betrayal, although in reality it is probably just Starmer trying to increase his popularity across the spectrum.
As much as I agree with Corbyns' ideals, perhaps it is time for him to withdraw his challenge and ensure that Labour get elected as a result.
In fighting in the party is likely to damage the aim of Labour getting into power with an overwhelming majority.
 
Rascal said:
Iain Mooney a councillor in Barrow has defected from Labour to the Communist Party

Seedling of a revolution.
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Or a communist has decided to finally admit he is in fact a communist.

The Labour Party a few on here demand simply does not exist.

Just go join the communist party and be happy in your own skins.
 
Rascal said:
Iain Mooney a councillor in Barrow has defected from Labour to the Communist Party

Seedling of a revolution.
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Normally revolutions start with a base of popular support. The Communists have fielded a total of 32 candidates over the last 7 elections, although there were none in the last two because they stood aside to help Corbyn. On average they secured 154 votes per candidate. The revolution has some way to go.
 
domalino said:
No his post boiled down to the same thing he says in every comment. He thinks he’s “the left” and you’re scum if you’re not in the exact same boat. He’d rather Labour stayed out of power forever while the tories burn the country to the ground than the party actually makes itself electable to the British electorate - and if you dare to think differently then you’re unprincipled and don’t care about truth.


The man couldn’t even get to the end of a comment pretending to be upset at the idea of someone thinking he says labour are worse than the tories without declaring that he hates centrists as much as tories.
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I am of the Left and I do not consider people who are not of the left as "scum", i reserve that moniker for the far right.

It is quite sad that the liberal left fought so hard to get rid of us on the more authoritarian left and left us with Johnson and the Tories burning the country, but now you expect us to ditch our principles and help a party that I personally have little in common with just to get rid of the Tories. We on the left have been called anti semitic, marxists and fringe lunatics but now you want us just to sate your desire for power.

I get people want rid of the Tories, they had there chance at the last election but chose not to get rid then and subject the country to the disastrous Johnson rule, why did they not support Labour then, but demand we support Labour now.

Have you seen the Labour files?

Have you seen the Forde report?

As for your last sentence, can you put that in plain English as it makes fuck all sense.
 
west didsblue said:
Normally revolutions start with a base of popular support. The Communists have fielded a total of 32 candidates over the last 7 elections, although there were none in the last two because they stood aside to help Corbyn. On average they secured 154 votes per candidate. The revolution has some way to go.
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It was a joke mate, it humoured me.
 
Don Karleone said:



Can someone show me where it mentions AS in the motion to kick Corbyn out, please?
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You'd think a journalist would ask the question. Peston did bring it up with Streeting but Streeting just repeated the same line in response. Imagine the response if a succession of Tories were let off the hook in this manner.
 
Don Karleone said:



Can someone show me where it mentions AS in the motion to kick Corbyn out, please?
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He's not even being subtle really. Everyone with a modicum of sense knows it's just a political move to win some extra support from sections of the country.

Morality has been thrown out of the window by those in power of both leading parties.
 
Corbyn is a dinosaur and a scruffy twat . He had some very good policies but too many far left cronie mates in high places like scouse Len McClusky . Not much going for him to be fair ……..
He should retire along with his lunatic sidekick Dianne Abbot ,what a pair !
Labour under Starmer meanwhile polling around 50 % a staggering 25% ahead of the tories.
Tories facing obliteration at last !
 
Gundoggin said:
Corbyn is a dinosaur and a scruffy twat . He had some very good policies but too many far left cronie mates in high places like scouse Len McClusky . Not much going for him to be fair ……..
He should retire along with his lunatic sidekick Dianne Abbot ,what a pair !
Labour under Starmer meanwhile polling around 50 % a staggering 25% ahead of the tories.
Tories facing obliteration at last !
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Pretty much the only thing that matters.
 
The sad reality is that the dominant culture in this country is small 'c' conservative, and Starmer has to allow for that.

A lot of people are scared to fuck of anything that smacks of radical change, and the media makes the most of those fears. Objective fact has nothing to do with it. If people feel threatened, no matter how irrationally, it tends to push them to the right.

The dangerous far-right loony cult that has wholly disproportionate power in the Tory Party - let alone the country - knows this, and uses the internet to stoke these fears. Thus the endless conspiracy theories around the WEF, digital currency, people in dinghies, 15-minute cities, and so on and so forth. The more scared you are, the better they like it. The very last thing they want is for you to feel secure and safe.

I wish this country was different, I really do. I also wish people would grow out of flag-shagging and worshipping the so-called royals and the Tory establishment. However, wishing doesn't make it so.
 
Grassland Blue said:
Starmer needs to keep policy close to his chest.
I think the situation regarding Corbyn is that to appeal to floating voters, he has to distance himself from the previous leadership. On the face of it this can appear to be a betrayal, although in reality it is probably just Starmer trying to increase his popularity across the spectrum.
As much as I agree with Corbyns' ideals, perhaps it is time for him to withdraw his challenge and ensure that Labour get elected as a result.
In fighting in the party is likely to damage the aim of Labour getting into power with an overwhelming majority.
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So his strategy is to win the floating voters by alienating voters on the left? I might be wrong but that seems like a zero to negative sum game to me.

What he has actually done is bring focus that he’ll say and do anything for power and that he’s not really much of a strategic thinker. I can see why people think he’s a bit of a **** really.
 
metalblue said:
So his strategy is to win the floating voters by alienating voters on the left? I might be wrong but that seems like a zero to negative sum game to me.

What he has actually done is bring focus that he’ll say and do anything for power and that he’s not really much of a strategic thinker. I can see why people think he’s a bit of a **** really.
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That circa 20% polling lead may be a clue…
 
Don Karleone said:



Can someone show me where it mentions AS in the motion to kick Corbyn out, please?
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Crikey that’s borderline slander that is. I hope he’s got proof a plenty to back that claim up. Corbyn definitely hates capitalism and bankers and thinks Palestinians get a raw deal but to flat out call him AS, like he has there, is either ballsy or stupid.
 
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