Keir Starmer

[Vic]

According to their membership records. Sir Keir is a member of the trilateral commission. A group whom Noam Chomsky describes as;

"Essentially liberal internationalists from Europe, Japan and the United States, the liberal wing of the intellectual elite.

That's where Jimmy Carter's whole government came from. The Trilateral Commission was concerned with trying to induce what they called "more moderation in democracy"—turn people back to passivity and obedience so they don't put so many constraints on state power and so on. In particular they were worried about young people. They were concerned about the institutions responsible for the indoctrination of the young (that's their phrase), meaning schools, universities, church and so on—they're not doing their job, [the young are] not being sufficiently indoctrinated. They're too free to pursue their own initiatives and concerns and you've got to control them better."


His last paragraph proves the point by the way Starmer has deliberately ignores young Labour party members forcing them to leave and set up their own organisation.

I've now watched one of their virtual meetings from last summer on YouTube. Unlike the secret machinations of the Tufton Street organisations, this looks fairly open and while I respect Chomsky's view of the world he seems to have fixated on the "excess of democracy" phrase (from one book).

Their own stance is:

"The Trilateral Commission is a non-governmental, policy-oriented forum that brings together leaders in their individual capacity from the worlds of business, government, academia, press and media, as well as civil society. The Commission offers a global platform for open dialogue, reaching out to those with different views and engaging with decision makers from around the world with the aim of finding solutions to the great geopolitical, economic and social challenges of our time. Its members share a firm belief in the values of rule of law, democratic government, human rights, freedom of speech and free enterprise that underpin human progress. Members are also committed to supporting a rules-based international system, closer cooperation across borders and respect for the diversity of approaches to policy issues."

Having been a member of a war studies extra mural group at Keele, which had as guest speakers Enoch Powell, diplomats from the Soviet embassy and the apartheid S African embassy, I'm open to different ideas without someone thinking I agree with them all.

 

[mat]

Wow.

Sky News just murdered Starmer.

Couldn't find anyone who knew who he was. Found a few that liked Boris "Cos he's a character...!"

A year in and he's fucked already.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Wow.

Sky News just murdered Starmer.

Couldn't find anyone who knew who he was. Found a few that liked Boris "Cos he's a character...!"

A year in and he's fucked already.

Murdoch channel airs selected partial interviews ?

 

[mat]

Murdoch channel airs selected partial interviews ?

I know...

Numerous mentions of red walls. Tory councilors slagging him off. For balance asking Starmer a question where he says the Tories have got a bounce in the polls.

Corbyn must have had a chuckle watching it.

 

[Rascal]

Labour's refusal to back Brexit and Keir's association with remain is destroying the Labour party.

Those staffers at party HQ who sabotaged the last election, the raft of centrist MPs who agitated this is all on them.

This country is close now to becoming a one party state, a right wing one party state, a state where the interests of capital take precedent over the interests of people.

It breaks my fucking heart.

 

[bluemoon32]

I wish the Labour Party in Wales would separate from the main party & join up with Plaid & the rest of the left.
The main Labour Party are currently irrelevant, maybe independence is the only way we'll get away from Tory rule

 

[Gray]

Conservatives romp the Hartlepool by election, that is a big blow for Mr. Wishy Washy.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Labour's refusal to back Brexit and Keir's association with remain is destroying the Labour party.

Those staffers at party HQ who sabotaged the last election, the raft of centrist MPs who agitated this is all on them.

This country is close now to becoming a one party state, a right wing one party state, a state where the interests of capital take precedent over the interests of people.

It breaks my fucking heart.

Corbyn should resign.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Conservatives romp the Hartlepool by election, that is a big blow for Mr. Wishy Washy.

Labour is in a right mess. They have a very small pool of credible candidates to lead them out of this. Starmer is one of the better ones, which says everything about the party. It will swing back eventually but could be ten years or more. They first need to start on their image and portray a more positive message.

Cons 15k v Labour 8k votes is stunning.

 

[Vic]

Labour's refusal to back Brexit and Keir's association with remain is destroying the Labour party.

Those staffers at party HQ who sabotaged the last election, the raft of centrist MPs who agitated this is all on them.

This country is close now to becoming a one party state, a right wing one party state, a state where the interests of capital take precedent over the interests of people.

It breaks my fucking heart.

How could Labour back Brexit, proving to be a disaster, when most Labour voters were against Brexit?

I can't be bothered checking the individual stats for Hartlepool, but I suspect that might have been true even in Hartlepool.

See what happens elsewhere, but I don't know what you do with people who blame Labout for the way Redcar now looks.