North Stand Construction Discussion

Tim of the Oak said:
I agree mate. People moving there and paying plenty for tickets will want to get behind the Blues.

That said, corporate blocks in the “atmosphere end” wouldn’t be ideal so why don’t those lobbying against this demonstrate to Danny Wilson and Co that there are enough singers to fill the end. So far the arguments seem to be more about throwing very cheap tickets at younger fans in the hope they they will create a racket.

I really want the expanded North Stand to work but it’s going to take effort to get there.
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Again the days of hostile atmosphere's have gone in the majority, there will be occasions when it does happen like the Bayern game, Arsenal this coming week but in the main those days have gone not just with us but at all stadiums, society has changed.

The derby atmosphere is a dam squib compared the the agro and hostility of the70s and 80s and sadly it's not going to return.

Even songs that are deemed remotley offensive are now derided.
 
Keeper! said:
600 seats out of 7000 extras, get a grip.
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Apart from the amount of seats, which is 100 seats less than block 115, which is the official singing section, it’s the location of the seats. The front and centre 11 rows of NSL2.

Which other football club gives those kind of seats or safe standing seats in their home end to hospitality?

You know exactly what the issue is. It’s been pointed out and discussed continually since the planning application became available to view on the planning portal.
 
jrb said:
Apart from the amount of seats, which is 100 seats less than block 115, which is the official singing section, it’s the location of the seats. The front and centre 11 rows of NSL2.

Which other football club gives those kind of seats or safe standing seats in their home end to hospitality?

You know exactly what the issue is. It’s been pointed out and discussed continually since the planning application became available to view on the planning portal.
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Hospitality and corporate are two very different things, would you agree?

Some in that stand would like there own bar/restaurant to enjoy pre and post match but would just contribute as much to the atmosphere as the regular fans!
 
It’s not 600 hospitality seats. It’s 648 hospitality seats. And if we’re being really persnickety about the proposed hospitality numbers in the North stand expansion, it’s 1224 seats.

Front 648 seats.
Back 120 suites.(seats)
Sky Bar 456 seats

Safe standing is listed as an ‘option’.

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That aside, there are already 13 hospitality venues inside the stadium. (and 5 hospitality venues offsite)

Men's Team Hospitality | Manchester City FC

Buy Manchester City Men's Team hospitality tickets. From City sports bars, to restaurants & fine dining, there's Premier League & cup packages available.
www.mancity.com www.mancity.com
 
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Tim of the Oak said:
If enough fans were serious about improving the atmosphere we would have a decent Mahrez song. The lad created history yesterday.
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'For fuck's SAAKE
On the open wiiings
just learn to try again
when you miss the penaltyyy'
 
Keeper! said:
Hospitality and corporate are two very different things, would you agree?

Some in that stand would like there own bar/restaurant to enjoy pre and post match but would just contribute as much to the atmosphere as the regular fans!
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I’ve always worded that as a hospitality area.

We‘ve discussed the fans in the hospitality area at length. Or have tried to.

I’ve accepted there will be fans in the hospitality area who will sing, stand up and support the team.

There will also be fans in the hospitality area who won’t stand up, won’t sing, and will want to watch the match sat down on the padded seats without being interrupted by fans next to them or close to them persistently standing up and singing.

In a safe standing singing section you know what to expect. That’s why people who want to watch the match, and seated, don’t go into the safe standing section.

To try and mix and merge the 2 doesn’t make sense and it will cause problems in what is supposed to be a vocal home end.
 
jrb said:
I’ve always worded that as a hospitality area.

We‘ve discussed the fans in the hospitality area at length. Or tried to.

I’ve accepted there will be fans in the hospitality area who will sing, stand up, and support the team.

There will be fans in the hospitality area who won’t stand up, won’t sing, and will want to watch the match sat down on the padded seats without being interrupted by fans next to them or close to the persistently standing up and singing.
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But the fact remains there are 100s of 'ordinary fans" who do the same, stay in the concourses for long period's happy to have a pint etc or spend the whole came looking at their phones, what's the difference?

The club has to cater for all.
 
jrb said:
Take the hospitality issue out if this.

The first 11 rows, 648 seats, are not being made GA. So the fans who have always sat on the first 11 rows on NSL2 will be forced to move.(unless they buy a hospitality season ticket)

That wasn’t communicated by the club to those fans who will be effected during the fan consultation.
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Do you know that for a fact? I'm genuinely asking, rather than arguing. After all then diagram does say Hospitality/GA.

I get it, the fact there is a direct link to a bar behind it would indeed suggest what you are saying and is likely true. But does anyone know the intention for sure, has it been discussed with the club since? And what's to say that can't change or apply differently in different scenarios.
 
Keeper! said:
But the fact remains there are 100s of 'ordinary fans" who do the same, stay in the concourses for long period's happy to have a pint etc or spend the whole came looking at their phones, what's the difference?

The club has to cater for all.
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To try and mix and merge the 2 doesn’t make sense and it will cause problems in what is supposed to be a vocal home end. (regardless of when people leave and come back to their seats)
 
Coatigan said:
Do you know that for a fact? I'm genuinely asking, rather than arguing. After all then diagram does say Hospitality/GA.

I get it, the fact there is a direct link to a bar behind it would indeed suggest what you are saying and is likely true. But does anyone know the intention for sure, has it been discussed with the club since? And what's to say that can't change or apply differently in different scenarios.
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That's the issue for me, as far as I can see nobody knows the precise details.

Talk of objecting the the whole expansion is just plain sad, these seats will have to be filled for a majority of the fixtures played and the club will do as they see fit and rightly so.
 
Coatigan said:
Do you know that for a fact? I'm genuinely asking, rather than arguing. After all then diagram does say Hospitality/GA.

I get it, the fact there is a direct link to a bar behind it would indeed suggest what you are saying and is likely true. But does anyone know the intention for sure, has it been discussed with the club since? And what's to say that can't change or apply differently in different scenarios.
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Nobody knows anything for sure. We’re all going off what is in the PA. The club haven’t communicated anything specifically to the fans bar the released statements on the OS and in the press.

I posted a side diagram of the stand with the hospitality area under the stand with steps leading to the first 11 rows. I’ll repost it if I have saved it on my iPad?

PS. Found it.
 
jrb said:
To try and mix and merge the 2 doesn’t make sense and it will cause problems in what is supposed to be a vocal home end. (regardless of when people leave and come back to their seats)
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So basically the 600 seats will be akin to Joes Bar or 93.20 ie access to a bar, padded seat ? So hardly prawn sandwich brigade, I'm in the south stand lower, 119, loads in there don't sing, loads won't sing in the new North stand, if you can get a hard-core of singers in there the rest will look after itself but it's never going to be like the old Kippax....
 
Keeper! said:
Again the days of hostile atmosphere's have gone in the majority, there will be occasions when it does happen like the Bayern game, Arsenal this coming week but in the main those days have gone not just with us but at all stadiums, society has changed.

The derby atmosphere is a dam squib compared the the agro and hostility of the70s and 80s and sadly it's not going to return.

Even songs that are deemed remotley offensive are now derided.
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I think just having close to 61k in the ground should improve the atmosphere to an extent.

You are right that few games have a bouncing atmosphere but I thought Leicester was good, as well as the Bayern match. There’s hope for further improvements.

I think we need to sing more if the old classics like, “We love you City” and “Super City from Maine Road”.

Hopefully the deign of the North Stand will help the atmosphere but it’s up to us to do the singing.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I think just having close to 61k in the ground should improve the atmosphere to an extent.

You are right that few games have a bouncing atmosphere but I thought Leicester was good, as well as the Bayern match. There’s hope for further improvements.

I think we need to sing more if the old classics like, “We love you City” and “Super City from Maine Road”.

Hopefully the deign of the North Stand will help the atmosphere but it’s up to us to do the singing.
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Any addition to capacity is going to improve atmosphere but it what goes on the pitch that will define it.

Yesterday was a classic example, once a FA Cup SF was a huge game, yesterday and this is no criticism , it was almost a dam squib in terms of atmosphere and understandably so from both sides.
 
Coatigan said:
Do you know that for a fact? I'm genuinely asking, rather than arguing. After all then diagram does say Hospitality/GA.

I get it, the fact there is a direct link to a bar behind it would indeed suggest what you are saying and is likely true. But does anyone know the intention for sure, has it been discussed with the club since? And what's to say that can't change or apply differently in different scenarios.
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My point with that is we know @bluesmith posted about these plans months ago and said they were locked away, before the consultation and before 1894 group met with the club and were told there would be no hospitality there.
There is a chance that it’s on the original plans but the club have already decided that the Hospitality / GA will now be GA. We wouldn’t know and there would be no need for them to have changed the planning documents because there would be no need to.
 
jrb said:
Nobody knows anything for sure. We’re all going off what is in the PA. The club haven’t communicated anything specifically to the fans bar the released statements on the OS and in the press.

I posted a side diagram of the stand with the hospitality area under the stand with steps leading to the first 11 rows. I’ll repost it if I have saved it on my iPad?

PS. Found it.
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No I get that. I get why that is exactly how it looks. maybe the /GA is there as a token exactly for that reason, someone like me can get distracted by it. Or maybe, they have different intention, or even don't fully know their intentions yet. But they saw an opportunity to include a bar in a space at this stage of the process and have done so.
 
pride in battle said:
So basically the 600 seats will be akin to Joes Bar or 93.20 ie access to a bar, padded seat ? So hardly prawn sandwich brigade, I'm in the south stand lower, 119, loads in there don't sing, loads won't sing in the new North stand, if you can get a hard-core of singers in there the rest will look after itself but it's never going to be like the old Kippax....
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If L2 is all seated, where are the singers going to go? Where is a requested singing block/section going to go? Not at the front, Hospitality. Not at the back, Hospitality. Not in the middle as standing won’t be permitted in a seated tier. At the sides maybe, where safe standing sections won’t interrupt the view of fans sitting? I‘m just thinking outloud.
 
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