PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Ducado said:
talk to nearly every fan of every club, they know the real intention of all this nonsense, and that is to reinstate the old cartel, it might sound like hyperbole but this is a fight between good and evil
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I've talked/listened to a lot of fans from other clubs and most of them think we are cheats. The media have driven a lot of them this way.
 
WallyA said:
I think I said this in the wrong forum, but I'll say my thoughts on FFP:

Everything regarding FFP is stupid... because FFP is stupid a concept.

FFP was NOT designed to keep the league competitive, that is a big misnomer the general populace has.

Instead it was a limitation on spending wherein the big clubs stayed big and the small clubs stay small, hence, FFP is essentially ANTI-COMPETITIVE.

Even if City did break FFP rules, I don't care at all if media spew this because FFP is a sham to begin with.

On top of that, FFP was designed to stop clubs from going bankrupt, and over the last few years we have STILL SEEN MANY CLUBS FUCK UP FINANCES EVEN WITH FFP. And City were clearly never in danger of going bankrupt, so it's design implementation for it's intention was insanely flawed.

The league could have easily put in a limit to spending by ALL clubs in the premier league, similar to America which forces all teams to have the same wage/spending cap, but they didn't. If they truly wanted competition, where everybody is fighting for the league they could have done this.

Anyways, that's it. FFP is the biggest sham of a system I have ever seen in professional sport.
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100% FFP was a scam to maintain the status quo and the way the "lesser" clubs fell for it was an embarrassment to them.
 
Keeper! said:
100% FFP was a scam to maintain the status quo and the way the "lesser" clubs fell for it was an embarrassment to them.
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Our only mistake was not to challenge the unfair financial rule from the beginning.

There is no rule in business where you prevent the owner from investing his own money into his business.


If they care about the sustainibility of the club, there are other ways to do so ( bank guarantee....etc )

The cartel didn't accept City competing with them in the transfer market and in the league, thats why they came up with this unfair rule.
 
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Tevez City said:
Our only mistake was not to challenge the unfair financial rule from the beginning.

There is no rule in business where you prevent the owner from investing his own money into his business.


If they care about the sustainibility of the club, there are other ways to do sa ( bank guarantee....etc )

The cartel didn't accept City competing with them in the transfer market and in the league, thats why they came up with this unfair rule.
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Totally agree, our club and many others should have challenged in the courts.

Restriction in trade in any business is just so wrong, and football is no different.
 
I like reading tarquins while repeating the 115 bollocks also lamenting we seemed to be in a malaise and underperformimg until the prem announced them and since then we have galvanised and blown all away, so the charges being have helped us focus and cost them a title
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The thing that's disingenuous about all this is that (a) they really don't know exactly what the charges are and (b) the little we do know about them appears to have no bearing on our winning these titles.

We do know one is about Mancini's Al Jazira contract. That ended in 2012, which was the first year of FFP, which we know we failed and ended up agreeing a settlement with UEFA. This has no bearing on our current success whatsoever.

We also know that the same charge also relates to payment of player image rights via Fordham. Reuters reported that UEFA discussed that arrangement with us in 2015, and if that's correct we know that no disciplinary action was taken over this. My guess is that these payments might not have been reported to UEFA from 2013-2015 but I'd surmise we did include them after that, and it seems we ended the arrangement completely in 2018, If that's right, then I'd say UEFA took no action as they had no material impact on our FFP position.

And if it didn't impact our FFP position then it's inconceivable it would be any different as far as the PL's own rules are concerned. Therefore any insinuation that these allegations had any bearing on our success over the last few years, and that we wouldn't have been as successful had we not done what we're alleged to have done, is completely and utterly wide of the mark.
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United and Newcastle's image right deals were actually found to be illegal by HMRC. They were fined and they paid up.
 
Xhavenjoe said:
I've talked/listened to a lot of fans from other clubs and most of them think we are cheats. The media have driven a lot of them this way.
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Yep, most i have talked to believe we are cheats, even people who dont follow football call us cheats, the damage has already been done and nothing will ever change their views, we are already guilty in many peoples eyes.
Even if nothing comes from The PL charges, it will be looked upon as if weve got away with it, yet again, due to having dodgy lawyers, bribing people or on technicalities.
Personally, i dont think the PL can survive us not being nailed to the post.
 
Tevez City said:
Our only mistake was not to challenge the unfair financial rule from the beginning.

There is no rule in business where you prevent the owner from investing his own money into his business.


If they care about the sustainibility of the club, there are other ways to do so ( bank guarantee....etc )

The cartel didn't accept City competing with them in the transfer market and in the league, thats why they came up with this unfair rule.
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We couldn’t, because to do so would have meant not playing in the CL whilst the challenge went ahead…..or at least as far as I recall. It would have undermined all of the recruitment we’d done to that point and set us back years
 
bluemoon32 said:
Yep, most i have talked to believe we are cheats, even people who dont follow football call us cheats, the damage has already been done and nothing will ever change their views, we are already guilty in many peoples eyes.
Even if nothing comes from The PL charges, it will be looked upon as if weve got away with it, yet again, due to having dodgy lawyers, bribing people or on technicalities.
Personally, i dont think the PL can survive us not being nailed to the post.
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If we had dodgy lawyers we should be fucked. It should be we have the best lawyers who can bribe the dodgy lawyers of the fa.
 
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