PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Prestwich_Blue said:
The thing that's disingenuous about all this is that (a) they really don't know exactly what the charges are and (b) the little we do know about them appears to have no bearing on our winning these titles.

We do know one is about Mancini's Al Jazira contract. That ended in 2012, which was the first year of FFP, which we know we failed and ended up agreeing a settlement with UEFA. This has no bearing on our current success whatsoever.

We also know that the same charge relates to payment of player image rights via Fordham. Reuters reported that UEFA discussed that arrangement with us in 2015, and if that's correct we know that no disciplinary action was taken over this. My guess is that these payments might not have been reported to UEFA from 2013-2015 but I'd surmise we did include them after that, and it seems we ended the arrangement completely in 2018, If that's right, then I'd say UEFA took no action as they had no material impact on our FFP position.

And if it didn't impact our FFP position then it's inconceivable it would be any different as far as the PL's own rules are concerned. Therefore any insinuation that these allegations had any bearing on our success over the last few years, and that we wouldn't have been as successful had we not done what we're alleged to have done, is completely and utterly wide of the mark.
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Also worth noting that, if PL is really trying to apply a rule retrospectively (see City legal challenge) then the bona fides of the ‘prosecution’ is called into question. I see Simon Jordan thinks that has something to do with time barring. That oaf is plain ignorant.
 
dubblue said:
I don’t see any chance of that happening. It would be great though as listening to rival fans is beyond tedious. Most don’t even know what the charges are.
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And the charges have grown from 105 to 115 according to the media who know next to nothing about any of this fiasco. As far as they are concerned it is a way for them to put an black mark against our achievements as a club.
 
KS55 said:
Also worth noting that, if PL is really trying to apply a rule retrospectively (see City legal challenge) then the bona fides of the ‘prosecution’ is called into question. I see Simon Jordan thinks that has something to do with time barring. That oaf is plain ignorant.
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That's all I hear, day in day out "its obvious city have cheated but nobody can do anything because all the evidence is time barred".

I don't pretend to know much about the whole situation, so I'm just gonna trust the club to do the best for us.
 
KS55 said:
Also worth noting that, if PL is really trying to apply a rule retrospectively (see City legal challenge) then the bona fides of the ‘prosecution’ is called into question. I see Simon Jordan thinks that has something to do with time barring. That oaf is plain ignorant.
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His logic is that City only won the case at CAS because of time bar issues which is not true. He obviously didn't know that some of the evidence that was presented by UEFA had been doctored and bolted together like stolen car. He also stated that City have been well run since 2018, which is also rubbish. We have been financial well run for a lot longer than that.
 
wolviedinho said:
Apart from the negative press around FFP, it could actually be argued that it accelerated City’s growth and sustainability allowing us to come away from relying on Sheikh Mansour’s wealth. The club had to play within the new construct, so we decided not only would we grow exponentially off the field by building a world class academy and expanding the City Group, we also decided we needed pep and his philosophy to grow on the pitch. We developed a slick operation and the recruitment process got better and better each season.

Thanks FFP. Only could the daft twats at Uefa/cartel could come up with a system that actually benefited the club and accelerated our self sustainability model.

They can keep the negative soundbites while I will look at the clubs achievements with unbridled joy. England should be proud that MCFC represents the country with distinction.

What a club!
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Sheik Mansour is an investor by trade and inclination. Building the structure and facilities to become self sustaining was his plan from Day 1, irrespective of ffp. Our subsequent history and his steadfastness proves his perspicacity and genuine commitment.
PS EDIT.
CFG is becoming a global monster.
 
adr2.8i said:
That's all I hear, day in day out "its obvious city have cheated but nobody can do anything because all the evidence is time barred".

I don't pretend to know much about the whole situation, so I'm just gonna trust the club to do the best for us.
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The bit that gets about the Uefa case and the time barred element is that it only came into effect because that is what Uefa wrote into their rules.
We didn't get off with anything time barred, CAS didn't take them into account as the process that was set out by our accusers was not followed by Uefa.
 
eastmanc said:
His logic is that City only won the case at CAS because of time bar issues which is not true. He obviously didn't know that some of the evidence that was presented by UEFA had been doctored and bolted together like stolen car. He also stated that City have been well run since 2018, which is also rubbish. We have been financial well run for a lot longer than that.
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Peter Swales agrees
 
JRockBlues said:
The narrative is set each and every time that a report on our struggles with UEFA/PL comes out. UEFA found us guilty but we wouldn't just lie down and take our punishment like we should. There is never any mention of why CAS threw out the charges (other than to say some were time-barred indicating we got off an a technicality) or that the hacked e-mails that most of UEFA's case were based on had included one that was doctored and others taken out of context. They never mention that UEFA were admonished by CAS for even letting it get as far as it did before overturning the ban. No mention of why the non-cooperation fine was levied with the chambers at UEFA leaking everything to their mates in the press. No mention of the "body of irrefutable evidence" that we supplied just being ignored amid reports of it not even being read by Leterme and his cronies.

Oh no, so far as the general fan in the street is concerned we've been painted as the big bad as that is all they see in the media that they consume. Not one so called independent or unbiased journalists will ever look at things from our point of view. We're winning everything therefore we must be guilty.

Hopefully the outcome will be no different this time around and as long as this investigative panel is truly impartial then that's how it should be. Not that it will matter to the masses who will be told that we bought better lawyers with our vast resources that the other side couldn't compete with.
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All sounds very familiar as a tactic to be honest.
May be only a matter of time, but it would be cheaper for the Red Top Cartel to have ‘City are Cheats’ written on the side of their team bus.
 
KS55 said:
Sheik Mansour is an investor by trade and inclination. Building the structure and facilities to become self sustaining was his plan from Day 1, irrespective of ffp. Our subsequent history and his steadfastness proves his perspicacity and genuine commitment.
PS EDIT.
CFG is becoming a global monster.
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It's mad how widespread the idea that this is "sports washing" has become. Like the Middle East are blowing billions of £s so some drunk blokes in a mid-sized north European provincial city known for early industrialism, night clubs and guitar music stand up for them. It's an investment, it was always an investment, they're just not investing now to take out money next week, they're investing now for 25 - 100 year returns. The fact that East Manchester has a load of empty space for property and leisure investment for some healthy shorter term returns just sweetens the deal. We can be critical of that, but I wish we were critical of it in its own terms. They literally don't give a shit what the world thinks about their organisation of power or war with Yemen.
 
KS55 said:
Sheik Mansour is an investor by trade and inclination. Building the structure and facilities to become self sustaining was his plan from Day 1, irrespective of ffp. Our subsequent history and his steadfastness proves his perspicacity and genuine commitment.
PS EDIT.
CFG is becoming a global monster.
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Correct in fact they targeted the Investment Phase of the business plan knowing full well that their cash cow clubs would be out of their league should the plan get to maturity.
 
I read comments somewhere from an opposition fan, basically replying to Blues that were saying the allegations were rushed and the PL's hand was forced by the red-top cartel... his reply was "why would the PL do that... as it would be damaging to their reputation"!
This got me thinking... we all know the PL was created by the cartel, with a couple of hangers-on, and that very cartel has been pulling the strings of the PL ever since... vetting chairmen etc... so could it possibly be that the PL have finally had enough and want the influence these snakes have, eradicated for good!?
If we blow these charges out of the water, the fall-out might mean a restructure that would allow them to get rid of that influence.
 
dario2739 said:
I read comments somewhere from an opposition fan, basically replying to Blues that were saying the allegations were rushed and the PL's hand was forced by the red-top cartel... his reply was "why would the PL do that... as it would be damaging to their reputation"!
This got me thinking... we all know the PL was created by the cartel, with a couple of hangers-on, and that very cartel has been pulling the strings of the PL ever since... vetting chairmen etc... so could it possibly be that the PL have finally had enough and want the influence these snakes have, eradicated for good!?
If we blow these charges out of the water, the fall-out might mean a restructure that would allow them to get rid of that influence.
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Too machiavellian for me. I think the PL just reacted to pressure from the redshirts and also from the pending announcement of a regulator.
 
dario2739 said:
I read comments somewhere from an opposition fan, basically replying to Blues that were saying the allegations were rushed and the PL's hand was forced by the red-top cartel... his reply was "why would the PL do that... as it would be damaging to their reputation"!
This got me thinking... we all know the PL was created by the cartel, with a couple of hangers-on, and that very cartel has been pulling the strings of the PL ever since... vetting chairmen etc... so could it possibly be that the PL have finally had enough and want the influence these snakes have, eradicated for good!?
If we blow these charges out of the water, the fall-out might mean a restructure that would allow them to get rid of that influence.
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Or maybe the other side of the coin is the red top cartel are done with the PL and want to paint it as an anti competitive vehicle for Abu Dhabi projects that they can do nothing about despite knowing we’re wrong ‘uns?

Super league here we come.
 
KS55 said:
Sheik Mansour is an investor by trade and inclination. Building the structure and facilities to become self sustaining was his plan from Day 1, irrespective of ffp. Our subsequent history and his steadfastness proves his perspicacity and genuine commitment.
PS EDIT.
CFG is becoming a global monster.
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Could I just take a moment to congratulate you on the first ever use of the word "Perspicacity" on a football forum.
(anyone any idea what it means?)
 
KS55 said:
Too machiavellian for me. I think the PL just reacted to pressure from the redshirts and also from the pending announcement of a regulator.
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I think this was the over-riding factor that got the skunks at the PL shifting their arses. Nothing like having to hand over some control to an outside body and be accountable for your actions - or inactions!
 
I just don't get all of this. United have won 20 league titles,in which only 1 was won under financial fair play rule. The other 19 titles was won spending as much money as you can. Sheik monsour rocks up with a business plan the premier league accepts,now everybody is calling us cheats. Wait till we smash the treble gunna be some serious reprecussions I'm shitting myself as they seem make it up as they go along.
 
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