PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Citizen in Pakistan]

The kind of disservice being done to english champions and arguably the most aesthetically pleasing team in history of English football is depressing and hilarious at the same time.

Being charged isn't the same as being guilty but they've created a presumption of guilt to hide behind as some sort of solace for their teams not being able to catch city. I wonder who'd they'd blame when we're cleared.

They say sponsorship deals were inflated but in the long run it was a wonderful business decision as sponsors ended up sponsoring the best team in the planet right now, secondly every business have a right to value itself according to it's own assessment, a third party cannot question that and even if they did they can't prove that

 

[M18CTID]

I think the belief is that Everton are outside acceptable losses even allowing for covid allowance.
Everton will doubtless have claims as to why it's acceptable.

If that's true then it's still only a first offence, and should be treated as such, ie: with a predominantly financial penalty rather than a harsher one such as a points deduction that could see them relegated. Similar to us in 2014 with UEFA when we got that fine (with some deferred), a reduction in our CL squad size, and an agreement that we don't increase some of our 2nd tier sponsorship deals over a certain length of time.

 

[nellyonthewing]

I was watching again that great film Ford v Ferrari .
It’s so similar to the witch-hunt City face with the sports regulator in the back pocket of the legacy contestant ably assisted by the media.

 

[cheekybids]

They say we can’t possibly have a better commercial income than the Rags…..

We have a better playing team & judging by their leaking roof we have a far better facilities team so what makes them think their commercial team would be better than ours. They believed the hype, the empire will last forever but they got fat, lazy & taken over by the hungry, ambitious, élite professionals.

Instead of looking at what they are doing, they were convinced we’ve cheated. A gifted CEO would have seen that & rose to the challenge but instead they tried to “cheat” & lobby for us to be destroyed. City have continued to move forward by the time we are proved innocent they’ll be behind more than just us.

 

[toffee balls]

They say we can’t possibly have a better commercial income than the Rags…..

We have a better playing team & judging by their leaking roof we have a far better facilities team so what makes them think their commercial team would be better than ours. They believed the hype, the empire will last forever but they got fat, lazy & taken over by the hungry, ambitious, élite professionals.

Instead of looking at what they are doing, they were convinced we’ve cheated. A gifted CEO would have seen that & rose to the challenge but instead they tried to “cheat” & lobby for us to be destroyed. City have continued to move forward by the time we are proved innocent they’ll be behind more than just us.

So true.

 

[KS55]

One trope repeated constantly in the MSM is the validity of the UAE sponsorships. They can NOT be invalidated solely because of country of origin as that would be blatant discrimination against the UAE.

So let’s say a PL investigator requests from MCFC all the communications, correspondence, emails etc between MCFC and Sponsor A, circa 2010. The intention being to ascertain that commercial negotiations took place and that a formal contractual relationship was agreed and entered into and it included market values. This could be confirmed by subsequent financial transactions ie for sponsorship services rendered. nb The PL has no jurisdiction over sponsor A what so ever. If MCFC said sorry we don’t have any supporting documentation but we can supply retrospective informal evidence by individuals involved, that would be very damming . On the other hand if they said we have all the documentation but are not prepared to disclose in the public domain because of confidentiality agreements with Sponsor A, that would be acceptable.

To me, non legal, it seems binary, either Sponsor A was valid or invalid, it should be possible for MCFC to prove all 4 sponsors were valid once and for all.

However, what if the PL consider Sponsor A “dubious”, is that guilty of a charge ?, that’s where a biased non objective judgement could stray into the political. If the PL claim the market value was artificially high, will the panel agree with them or dismiss the charge as being completely subjective.

…….Completely subjective….AND NOT LEGAL. The PL has introduced the idea of “associated” sponsors because they know our sponsorships are not related under IAS24. But they cannot unilaterally decide that sponsorships from the country of a main owner are associated per se unless there is something else of substance. Otherwise, such action would fail in the courts either as interference with a legal contract or anti- competitive.
Note also American sponsorship of the redshirts might come back to bite the plotters . What price the (US) Marine Diesel sponsorship of the rag’s canal fleet then?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

If that's true then it's still only a first offence, and should be treated as such, ie: with a predominantly financial penalty rather than a harsher one such as a points deduction that could see them relegated. Similar to us in 2014 with UEFA when we got that fine (with some deferred), a reduction in our CL squad size, and an agreement that we don't increase some of our 2nd tier sponsorship deals over a certain length of time.

Yes, I'd imagine it would be a fine, and maybe a suspended points deduction if the numbers are very bad - I don't know if it would appear this season.

 

[KS55]

Andy Jacobs, talksport and Chelsea mardarse, said today that these 115 charges will be dropped because our owners are bigger than anybody out there and have more money and can blow the Premier League out the water.

Sounded like he was going to cry.

He’s not wrong. Khaldoon will spend millions on legal fees, he said. BOOM.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

Last night Monday Night Football

 

[Moss Side's Finest]

This is the the sort of punishment I would expect to come our way if the PL get their case through

Juventus deducted 10 points by Italian federation for false accounting

Juventus have been given a 10-point penalty for false accounting relating to their transfer activity

www.theguardian.com

 

[Cityinmud]

This is the the sort of punishment I would expect to come our way if the PL get their case through

Juventus deducted 10 points by Italian federation for false accounting

Juventus have been given a 10-point penalty for false accounting relating to their transfer activity

www.theguardian.com

What i think is PL doesn't have anything against us unless we disclose our documents or witnesses (which we won't because it was not part of the rule at the time). That's the reason this will take long and probably nothing will happen.
For example in case of Juventus they had clear evidence so the prosecution was fast.

 

[Indaparkside]

I love it personally boiling piss all over the world

 

[Sky Blue Thinking]

I think the belief is that Everton are outside acceptable losses even allowing for covid allowance.
Everton will doubtless have claims as to why it's acceptable.

Cant they just say it was the cost of building a stadium, at least there is evidence they are actually building one.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

This is the the sort of punishment I would expect to come our way if the PL get their case through

Juventus deducted 10 points by Italian federation for false accounting

Juventus have been given a 10-point penalty for false accounting relating to their transfer activity

www.theguardian.com

This team is capable of 90 points and above each season, if they enforced something like that City would still have champions league football. The way Arsenal collapsed we could potentially still be champions if a similar scenario happened in the future, now that would boil some piss around the country.

 

[nmc]

I hope you are right about this.

But would the PL be so stupid as to charge us with 115 counts knowing that they could be made to look like biased, red shirted blithering idiots if 110 charges were frivolous ?
Would they risk that ?

Would UEFA charge us and turn up at CAS with a few emails photocopied from Der Spiegel as their primary evidence of wrongdoing ?

 

[Centurions]

This is the the sort of punishment I would expect to come our way if the PL get their case through

Juventus deducted 10 points by Italian federation for false accounting

Juventus have been given a 10-point penalty for false accounting relating to their transfer activity

www.theguardian.com

Massive difference of course is that Juventus were caught bang to rights, we really aren't guilty of anything like that. At most it'll be a differing interpretation of the rules as they were then.

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

I’d love it if they give us a ten point deduction starting next season - and we go on and win the league with a ten point gap between us and 2nd.

Cunts.

 

[Centurions]

The large number was chosen as it implies guilt by quantity.

Most people will just assume that there can't be that many issues without some being true.

A conscious decision has been made by the Premier League and UK Media to run with the larger number for these reasons.

The reality is that the 115 items align to like approximately 5 items.

Its propaganda at it's finest, careful wordsmithing of communications and manipulation of data to set a seed in the consumers mind that what they are reading is indeed fact.

The reality however is that not a single item on any of the lists have been even proven.

Prove the point to yourself by asking any non-city fan, in their minds we are already guilty of over a hundred fraudulent/cheating crimes.

And don't forget who is driving this entire agenda, think 'red shirts' and you won't be far wrong.

"The reality is that the 115 items align to like approximately 5 items", it's not like approximately, it's exactly 5. But 'City have been charged with 5 offences' isn't going to get the clicks that 115 does.

Premier League statement

www.premierleague.com

 

[Sir peace frog]

maybe there is a longer game being played, maybe the cartel want city to prove their innocence ,take the pl to court , make the pl not fit for purpose because they falsely accused one of "our members" paving the way for a super league, the super league has been in the making for a long time , and maybe the cartel are a little bit more savvy than they look ,it wouldn't surprise me

 

[Sir peace frog]

This weekends starting 11s

Utd £566M
Chelsea £426M
Liverpool 390M
Arsenal 355M
City 288M

But we bought the league

ah ,but look at the bench,as we were informed by skysports was probably 500m worth and probably the best bench ever