PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Blue Pete]

Just had a thought (and yes it's probably back on page 1363 but I'm not going back to check) - we are charged with 115 things etc but as I understand it they can be split into 5 or 6 similar offences

My question to those who know better than me (and that's not a narrow field) if true how much are each of these worth? Eg did we pay Mancini and extra £50k, £50m, or £50bn.

 

[halfcenturyup]

In the long run will this siege mentality last for all parties ie fans team and of course Pep?
Personally other than time eliminating our enemies I can see no end to their provocation but is that a good thing for our togetherness?
Should we embrace it and let them feel it is us they hurt whereas they are the ones who have taken their eyes off the ball.

I did say in some other thread in a different world, somewhere, that, with all the effort they are putting into finding things wrong ten years ago, they have been ignoring the steam train that is the CFG bearing down on them. I am no particular fan of the CFG, but if it is managed properly it could play a significant role in the club's development. Let them worry about the past if it keeps them busy, we can look towards the future.,

 

[OrigamiNinja]

Lawton has had a great 24 hours. This time yesterday I bet he was grinning from ear to ear with his “new bombshell revelation”. Since then, he’s been on Piers Morgan where Dein said “this is no smoking gun” and Morgan questioned why the British media think they’ve got the moral high ground here. Then this morning Brazil has basically said “is that all you’ve got”

Get back in your fucking box Lawton, you know-nowt prick.

 

[dickie davies]

However, Premier League FFP didn't even exist until the start of the 2013/14 season so surely that post-dates those payments, hence meaning that from a Premier League point of view there is no case to answer on this particular issue?

We're not being charged with breaches of PL FFP

 

[bluemanc16]

Lawton on Talksport now….sounds like a fucking snivelling prefect trying to impress the headmaster.

Brazil to be fair to him said even if it’s true it’s only £30m, it was over 10 years ago now and they were just trying to catch up to the established elite & he doesn’t agree with FFP.

Lawton sounded gutted when Brazil said I don’t think Pep lies in bed awake at night thinking about this does he.

Listened to the programme, like you, investigate journalism ? Just more click bait dross, newspaper journalism is in terminal decline

 

[M18CTID]

We're not being charged with breaches of PL FFP

I know not all the charges are to do with that, but what particular bracket would this issue come under?

 

[Pam]

Just had a thought (and yes it's probably back on page 1363 but I'm not going back to check) - we are charged with 115 things etc but as I understand it they can be split into 5 or 6 similar offences

My question to those who know better than me (and that's not a narrow field) if true how much are each of these worth? Eg did we pay Mancini and extra £50k, £50m, or £50bn.

Well it wouldn't be 50 BILLIION and £50 million wouldn't buy you a decent centre half. So they'd better have more than this. Embarrassing.

 

[Paladin]

All I will say is if it is “only” £30m is that it dispels the myth to all of our accusers we have been fiddling hundreds of millions of sponsorships since we got took over . Anyone with half a brain must be thinking “is that it?” Two discrepancies going back ten years amounting to approx 5% of our then turnover is hardly mass fiddling is it ? And they all know this club is now watertight.

When Liverpool account for £50m bring spent on their Stanley Park feasibility study or some such nonsense. Why doesn't anyone investigate that?

 

[Pam]

In the long run will this siege mentality last for all parties ie fans team and of course Pep?
Personally other than time eliminating our enemies I can see no end to their provocation but is that a good thing for our togetherness?
Should we embrace it and let them feel it is us they hurt whereas they are the ones who have taken their eyes off the ball.

Well we looked a million miles away from any Treble before some of these charges were flagged. I think there's even something in the allegations about about the cut of the grass. Or maybe it wasn't green enough or somethings.. Sounds about as serious as sneezing. It's cringe and makes zero sense.

 

[manimanc]

Lawton on Talksport now….sounds like a fucking snivelling prefect trying to impress the headmaster.

Brazil to be fair to him said even if it’s true it’s only £30m, it was over 10 years ago now and they were just trying to catch up to the established elite & he doesn’t agree with FFP.

Lawton sounded gutted when Brazil said I don’t think Pep lies in bed awake at night thinking about this does he.

He was the same gobby, cocky little prick on Sunday Supplement, cheap digs and sneering at us.

 

[ShaunMCFC]

Lawton on Talksport now….sounds like a fucking snivelling prefect trying to impress the headmaster.

Brazil to be fair to him said even if it’s true it’s only £30m, it was over 10 years ago now and they were just trying to catch up to the established elite & he doesn’t agree with FFP.

Lawton sounded gutted when Brazil said I don’t think Pep lies in bed awake at night thinking about this does he.

What a wanker that Lawton is

 

[dickie davies]

I know not all the charges are to do with that, but what particular bracket would this issue come under?

Not providing true and accurate accounts

 

[Jack Hackett]

Just had a thought (and yes it's probably back on page 1363 but I'm not going back to check) - we are charged with 115 things etc but as I understand it they can be split into 5 or 6 similar offences

My question to those who know better than me (and that's not a narrow field) if true how much are each of these worth? Eg did we pay Mancini and extra £50k, £50m, or £50bn.

I suspect that the PL decided to throw everything including the kitchen sink at City in the expectation that something would stick. 115 charges is a staggering number though whether the PL can back it up is another matter.

 

[Sir peace frog]

I think your taking it to an extreme there, I would say in this hypothetical case that if somehow it got through the enquiry period with no evidence (and who would sign that off) that an application would be made to strike out the charge due to insufficient evidence that would be upheld and the verdict would be damning to the other side (even if you went down wild conspiracy everyone was against us, it would get out to the courts that one due to the unfair nature).

You may find this has been done in our case since the charges and on the day of the independent panel that we will face far less then the 115 charges. However, dependent on what the accusation is at that point we where be the ones with burden of proof (that doesn’t mean we have to do it beyond doubt).

We then have my issues with the links between the independent panel and PL (which is not an accusation of conspiracy or corruption, just the slight marginal gains the PL will have).

im coming from it as a layman , sorry if i went to the extreme, but i cant get my head around the "we have to prove our innocence" theory .

all this legal speak baffles me , so does the law of the land in truth,i think lawyers are paid to make things sound good and drag stuff out :) for keeerching

 

[Coatigan]

They still have to have evidence for each charge.

They claim they do. Our books. And the files the club has provided, that they spent 4 years investigating. As I understand it the club now get to respond to those and clarify etc.

We Have been charged. This is not some preliminary loose accusation. The club seems confident and I believe and share that. But too many seem to be dismissing it too lightly imo.

 

[M18CTID]

Not providing true and accurate accounts

Yes, I'm aware of that but how do the 2 £15m Etisalat payments come under that remit when we have a perfectly plausible explanation for it?

 

[LucahArchie10]

Exactly. All done by those who now want a rush job at the tribunal.

The law doesn't work like that.

People study for at least seven years to know how it works.

We have cunts here who think a GCSE in English Literature is a passport to being Ironside.

I got a C in Lit, BTW - never stopped me being a journalist, either!

That c... Lawton just been on Talkspirt, Brazil just said come on 2011 just move on, Lawton disagreed saying City are now reeping the rewards based on what went on in 2011, Brazil then mentions come on Real Madrid & others in which Lawton agreed but washed over it bringing City back into conversation

One thing for sure it's not going to get done anytime soon

Lawton also mentioned Martin Samual bigging City up regarding the establishment but yet again changed his tone into basically City are cheats without any outcome complete

 

[halfcenturyup]

When Liverpool account for £50m bring spent on their Stanley Park feasibility study or some such nonsense. Why doesn't anyone investigate that?

:D Yes. I wonder what the losing bid for that work was. The scrawny necked ****.

 

[OrigamiNinja]

Not providing true and accurate accounts

I still don’t understand how that doesn’t make this a legal matter? If they have evidence that we have been falsifying our accounts, why have they not contacted the relevant authorities?

 

[Keeper!]

Arsenal forced to pay more than they wanted for Rice then 24 hours later a article in the Daily Fail bringing up more accusations on our alleged PL breaches, coincidence?