They’ve put up the big boy act now they’ve actually got to see it through. Even for us £105m in 3 installments would be obscene for FFP purposes. And they’ve yet to really materialise any sales of note.
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FantasyIreland
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Must be looking for the keto the deal.Seems Arsenal are stalling on Rice?
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They’ve put up the big boy act now they’ve actually got to see it through. Even for us £105m in 3 installments would be obscene for FFP purposes. And they’ve yet to really materialise any sales of note.
i think the cash to accounting procedure is different i think mate? I think for Grealish, we made the payment in one go as per the release clause but can account the fee over the length of his contract?
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Wouldn’t make any difference to FFP. The fee is amortised over the contract for FFP. How you pay the fee doesn’t come into it and is only important for the paying clubs cash flow.They’ve put up the big boy act now they’ve actually got to see it through. Even for us £105m in 3 installments would be obscene for FFP purposes. And they’ve yet to really materialise any sales of note.
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Agree with this. Alvarez was a little hit and miss, but it was his first season and we can’t complain about his contribution. Foden is a miles better player though, it has to be said.You've taken some heat for this and rightfully so as it could have been worded better, to say the least, but I will say when he got a run of games as a starter he was underwhelming IMO.
My fear is that if there is some truth to him wanting more minutes, which is understandable, it will inevitably push Phil out to the wing once more as when Alvarez and Haaland did play at the same time, Alvarez occupied much of the areas where we all want to see Phil play.
yeah but that’s because there’s leeway in paying release clauses where the overall value can be shown spread out. I don’t think agreed/dictated instalments over a negotiated fee can be anything else other than how it’s been described. Could be off mark here.i think the cash to accounting procedure is different i think mate? I think for Grealish, we made the payment in one go as per the release clause but can account the fee over the length of his contract?
Does it not differ to how release clauses are paid and showcased? Thanks for clarifying.Wouldn’t make any difference to FFP. The fee is amortised over the contract for FFP. How you pay the fee doesn’t come into it and is only important for the paying clubs cash flow.
Wouldn’t make any difference to FFP. The fee is amortised over the contract for FFP. How you pay the fee doesn’t come into it and is only important for the paying clubs cash flow.
Wages yes 105m having to pay it in two years will go on the books as two years
Calv_from_the_frog
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I have to say that Wham have massively overplayed their hand here, and they're just hoping that Arsenal agree a deal before they realise what madness 105m and 3 year payment terms is.
If Arsenal were to pull out or to go for Caicedo - who offers them much more - West Ham are fucked ad their entire transfer strategy is based on shifting Rice.
But do Arsenal have the balls for that ?
If Arsenal were to pull out or to go for Caicedo - who offers them much more - West Ham are fucked ad their entire transfer strategy is based on shifting Rice.
But do Arsenal have the balls for that ?
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the value of the transfer gets amortised over the length of the players contract. Cash on hand and payments whole separate issue and system as far as i remember, been awhile.Wages yes 105m having to pay it in two years will go on the books as two years
@citybrain should know.
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Not for FFP accounting ,no. If Rice is £100 mill and a 5 year contract it will show in the accounts as £20 mill / year and that’s what is submitted to UEFA.Does it not differ to how release clauses are paid and showcased? Thanks for clarifying.
As for paying the £100mill that’s between the clubs it can be in as many installments as they agree on.
A release clause could be paid in one go and it was the case,not sure if it still is, a Spanish one had to be paid by the player in one go. As before though that doesn’t change the accounting process for FFP.
In the case of Arsenal it seems they are stuggling to agree instalments with West Ham , that maybe that they just don’t have that spare cash without borrowing or cutting elsewhere.
RobinHood
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The £105m will be amortised over the length of his contract, which also fits the FFP criteria.Wages yes 105m having to pay it in two years will go on the books as two years
If WHam want payment over 2 years, that will come out of Arse's cash-flow at £52.5m per year.
They are treated differently.
Edit: Blueparrot beat me to it.
Is the term nation state some type of English phrase? Or is it some made up term to create an added air of jeopardy? UAE is a nation, a country. What's with the state?Clubs such as Ickle Citeh, so random, so incorrect
the value of the transfer gets amortised over the length of the players contract. Cash on hand and payments whole separate issue and system as far as i remember, been awhile.
@citybrain should know.
Yeah you could right come to think of it
There's always the national treasury...Looks like Real are using long term debt products to fix short term issues - immediate profitability. This won’t end well…. In time they’ll collapse in a mountain of debt. You can’t keep selling assets and borrowing money to fund shortfalls in the annual accounts… sooner or later they’ll run out of road unless of course they have another training ground to sell!
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That's why Chelsea signed these players at ridiculous prices on 7 and 8 year contracts. Not a cat in hells chance they could afford to do what they did putting players on 4 or 5 year deals.the value of the transfer gets amortised over the length of the players contract. Cash on hand and payments whole separate issue and system as far as i remember, been awhile.
@citybrain should know.
Was that being really cute or really stupid?
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State is the institutions, govt, rulers, legal system, army etc.Is the term nation state some type of English phrase? Or is it some made up term to create an added air of jeopardy? UAE is a nation, a country. What's with the state?
Sovereign State is a country that rules itself.
Nation is a bit vaguer, usually means the group of people within a state, the population, who share a history and culture.
A nation with it's own Sovereign State, the whole shebang is called a Nation State.
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The amortisation of the player's registry will be restricted to a maximum of five years because of this. Not sure when this comes in.That's why Chelsea signed these players at ridiculous prices on 7 and 8 year contracts. Not a cat in hells chance they could afford to do what they did putting players on 4 or 5 year deals.
Was that being really cute or really stupid?
Absolutely zero chance the Rice to Arsenal deal falls through. Imagine future players (and agents!) seeing it, why would they think about rejecting other clubs for Arsenal if they have a track record of pulling out at the final hour.
The delays will be nothing and he'll be announced within the next week or so I'd say.
It would be funny, mind...
The delays will be nothing and he'll be announced within the next week or so I'd say.
It would be funny, mind...
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