Community Shield - Arsenal (N) | Sun 6th Aug - 16:00

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Train ticket booked 8am from Newcastle to King's x 8 pm train home....I never new there was a north east supporters club, any info wd be appreciated.I remember back in the 80s there was a few lads from Sunderland went.
 
daveyboybluemoon said:
So, here's my dilemma. My nephew (16) lives in Dubai. In his younger more foolish years he claimed to be a Liverpool fan due to Mo Salah (Dubai has kids from all different countries that go to his school & Salah was a big hero to the kids from that area). Anyway, in the last coupe of years I've managed to convert in to a City fan, he's binned all his Liverpool stuff, got a City shirt for his last birthday, all good.

Before the boycott was announced I said to his Mum that as when he was back over in the UK for the summer was when the this game was on, id take him down so he could go to his first City (& Wembley) game, cool Uncle points.

I never normally do the Wembley CS, last one I did was United in 2011 although I have done the Villa Park & King Power ones so missing this game is no issue to me and I fully support the boycott, however I feel bad saying id take him and then now turning round and saying I'm not going to.

So do i take him, knowing its going to be no where near a normal experience but still to my word (plus its good chance to spend to the full day with him as don't get to see him very often) or do we not bother support the boycott fully and say sorry kid, maybe next time?
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You should definitely take him.
You never know when the opportunity will arise again.
Celebrate City's success with him!
 
mrtwiceaseason said:
Yet you thought the 8pm kick off was a cracking idea for the travelling Newcastle support the other day as city were at home ?
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No, I said I would go into town after the match.

Perhaps you may have noticed over the last few weeks, I have replied to people who have discussed this with me to have an enjoyable day at Wembley. There's no bitterness on my part towards people who have decided to go.

As for Newcastle's support, it's up to them what they do. Knowing their support and demand for tickets to see their successful team play the treble winners at the Etihad, Newcastle will sell out their 3000 allocation very quickly. And I'm sure many of them will make a weekend of it in Manchester.
 
14cfcm said:
Train ticket booked 8am from Newcastle to King's x 8 pm train home....I never new there was a north east supporters club, any info wd be appreciated.I remember back in the 80s there was a few lads from Sunderland went.
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af61-blue@sky.com this is the guys email who runs it Andy Foster. You’ll need a link from him to process your joining the group. Subs need paying prior to acceptance £10 adult sub. Well worth joining
 
Jacko1956 said:
Known as the Community Shield since a damming report that the FA didn't actually give any money to charity's back in the day !
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It wasn't that damning and there was no suggestion that no money was given to charities:

The inquiry centred around concerns that some fans buying tickets for the 2000 game did not receive a "solicitation statement" at the point of sale telling them how the money available for charities would be calculated and distributed...The FA failed to meet fund-raising regulations by not informing ticket-holders exactly how the charities would benefit (the statements were provided when purchased directly from the FA, but not when bought from the clubs)
... charities had previously received all the money they should have - approximately 35% of the gate receipts....the Charity Commission's director of operations, said: 'The FA Charity Shield has raised more than £5m for charity in the past 10 years, but the organisers of any fund-raising event must comply with the rules.'...
The inquiry also concluded that there were unacceptable delays in making donations to the charities nominated by the participating clubs...
As a result, the FA has agreed to fully comply with fund-raising legislation and is to speed up the distribution of funds, the commission said...

They decided to change its name so it could focus the distribution of raised revenue on non-charitable worthy causes with £5,000 going to every participant in the FA cup proper to use for good/community causes. Any remaining revenue still goes to the FA's nominated charities.
 
I can see both sides of the argument. As someone who went to arsenal a few seasons back when there was a boycott because of ticket prices and I probably only got one because of the boycott. Fast forward to now I support the boycott but as someone who made it to wembley and istanbul I wouldn't dare tell fans to stay away particularly if they didn't attend either. Unfortunately I don't think a boycott will make a blind bit of difference. TV and sponsors will always come first over us plebs. You only have to look at the distribution of tickets to major finals to realise that. As an aside the Newcastle game at 8pm has caused more grief especially to overseas fans. Roughly €60 on flights and the cheapest room in manchester is about €90. As I'm getting the first flight out as I'm in work the next morning it means having a few beers still stupid o clock and then kipping at the airport for a few hours
 
Son of Merv said:
It wasn't that damning and there was no suggestion that no money was given to charities:

The inquiry centred around concerns that some fans buying tickets for the 2000 game did not receive a "solicitation statement" at the point of sale telling them how the money available for charities would be calculated and distributed...The FA failed to meet fund-raising regulations by not informing ticket-holders exactly how the charities would benefit (the statements were provided when purchased directly from the FA, but not when bought from the clubs)
... charities had previously received all the money they should have - approximately 35% of the gate receipts....the Charity Commission's director of operations, said: 'The FA Charity Shield has raised more than £5m for charity in the past 10 years, but the organisers of any fund-raising event must comply with the rules.'...
The inquiry also concluded that there were unacceptable delays in making donations to the charities nominated by the participating clubs...
As a result, the FA has agreed to fully comply with fund-raising legislation and is to speed up the distribution of funds, the commission said...

They decided to change its name so it could focus the distribution of raised revenue on non-charitable worthy causes with £5,000 going to every participant in the FA cup proper to use for good/community causes. Any remaining revenue still goes to the FA's nominated charities.
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That was reduced to £2k from a circa £4m pot including gate, sponsorship and TV money. £248k plus andother £27k each for the 2 club's good causes.

The Clubs get the biggest share as prize money un-ringfenced.

The FA Published the £5k article in 2007, and they have been silent on it since. That is the big con, there isn't a shred of transparency about where there money ends up, and clubs have said what tehy did with their £3k over the last ten years, but there has been a gag on it recently.

City last talked about in in 2018 but were not able to say the actual amounts this time:


Previously they had given figures:


The FA in 2007, nothing since:

www.thefa.com

Who benefits from the cash raised by The FA Community Shield?

The FA Community Shield raises hundreds of thousands of pounds every year, distributed to community-based initiatives and charities up and down the country.
www.thefa.com www.thefa.com

£300k from £4m?
 
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jrb said:
No, I said I would go into town after the match.

Perhaps you may have noticed over the last few weeks, I have replied to people who have discussed this with me to have an enjoyable day at Wembley. There's no bitterness on my part towards people who have decided to go.

As for Newcastle's support, it's up to them what they do. Knowing their support and demand for tickets to see their successful team play the treble winners at the Etihad, Newcastle will sell out their 3000 allocation very quickly. And I'm sure many of them will make a weekend of it in Manchester.
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As for the 8pm kick off I'm not that arsed ,was what you said ,
Surly if you have a strong opinion about a 4pm kick off ,you must have a strong opinion about an 8pm ko , remember that it could of been us up at Newcastle?
 
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Corky said:
That was reduced to £2k from a circa £4m pot including gate, sponsorship and TV money. £248k plus andother £27k each for the 2 club's good causes.

The Clubs get the biggest share as prize money un-ringfenced.

The FA Published the £5k article in 2007, and they have been silent on it since. That is the big con, there isn't a shred of transparency about where there money ends up, and clubs have said what tehy did with their £3k over the last ten years, but there has been a gag on it recently.

City last talked about in in 2018 but were not able to say the actual amounts this time:


Previously they had given figures:


The FA in 2007, nothing since:

www.thefa.com

Who benefits from the cash raised by The FA Community Shield?

The FA Community Shield raises hundreds of thousands of pounds every year, distributed to community-based initiatives and charities up and down the country.
www.thefa.com www.thefa.com

£300k from £4m?
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There is prize money, which is a shared pot of £1.25m. Presumably, the lower gate receipts from not being at Wembley impacted last years available pot, but Alzheimer's got a £120,000 donation.
Not sure where your 2K figure came from or what you mean by the '3K over ten years'?

So for 2022 we know of
£300K (or £650K if it is still £5K)+£1.25m+£120K from £4m (or less due to not being at Wembley)?

Then theres running costs...
 
Mhh1960 said:
I also left school in 77 and feel exactly the same.I know some are saying don't go out of habit but I have been consistent like being one of the 3000 at Maine Rd v Mansfield in 98.Football has changed and will change more, the FA, Premier league, Eufa and Fifa will do what they want.I expect soon I will have to be watching City on TV as I can't go to the 4 corners of the globe to watch us play.
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I was one of the 3000 too.

They wont change with a few people in a bar watching on TV.
It needs all clubs to join together to find something that hurts TV/FA.

Unfortunately they wont give a toss at what 1894 are doing.
 
Son of Merv said:
There is prize money, which is a shared pot of £1.25m. Presumably, the lower gate receipts from not being at Wembley impacted last years available pot, but Alzheimer's got a £120,000 donation.
Not sure where your 2K figure came from or what you mean by the '3K over ten years'?

So for 2022 we know of
£300K (or £650K if it is still £5K)+£1.25m+£120K from £4m (or less due to not being at Wembley)?

Then theres running costs...
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The £2k is on the link. City published it in 2011. The FA published £5k in 2007 which is what you were using.

There is a £2m+ black hole.
 
Corky said:
The £2k is on the link. City published it in 2011. The FA published £5k in 2007 which is what you were using.

There is a £2m+ black hole.
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A £2m 'black hole' is better than the £3.7m you originally calculated. Is it just a con now, rather than a 'big' con?

35% of revenue generated to charity is the figure quoted in 2002 for the preceding 10 years, totalling £5m. They have never claimed that 100% of proceeds go to charity, there are always overheads. 'Are the percentages involved with the CS comparable with other events that are staged to support worthy causes?' is the real question.
Ask the Alzheimer's Society if they were happy with there £120,000 donation..

That City article is the only one that mentions 2K. Every other journalistic piece, even up to 2023, quotes £5k. Now I know journalists are lazy dumbasses these days, but with all the scrutiny on football and governing body integrity, you'd think that maybe just one of them would have done a bit more reasearch, rather than go off a 15 year old puff piece, before quoting it in an article. I think we can only reasonably say it is between 2K and 5k (hence my bracketing of the alternative, higher figure)but for all we know, it now exceeds that figure...
 
Son of Merv said:
A £2m 'black hole' is better than the £3.7m you originally calculated. Is it just a con now, rather than a 'big' con?

35% of revenue generated to charity is the figure quoted in 2002 for the preceding 10 years, totalling £5m. They have never claimed that 100% of proceeds go to charity, there are always overheads. 'Are the percentages involved with the CS comparable with other events that are staged to support worthy causes?' is the real question.
Ask the Alzheimer's Society if they were happy with there £120,000 donation..

That City article is the only one that mentions 2K. Every other journalistic piece, even up to 2023, quotes £5k. Now I know journalists are lazy dumbasses these days, but with all the scrutiny on football and governing body integrity, you'd think that maybe just one of them would have done a bit more reasearch, rather than go off a 15 year old puff piece, before quoting it in an article. I think we can only reasonably say it is between 2K and 5k (hence my bracketing of the alternative, higher figure)but for all we know, it now exceeds that figure...
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The prize money was known as part of the £3.7m con and not charitable in any way, The prize money is often published, but only the amount from the gate that goes to the clubs, not the £1m sponsorship or TV money which is assumed some must do or the clubs played for free in 2020.

Yeah the Journalists are incorrect, the information is not in the public domain, and the FA won't critisise if they over estimate, however I expect the clubs who do get the money know how much it is so I would go with the latter.

You are going back to 1992-2002 & 2007, the premier league clubs don't want to be in the CS, they had to be paid off to make it worth while. A lot has changed in the last generation and the PL has the power.

The whole point of the criticism is that the CS money has zero transparency, and as you found yourself with only one bit of evidence of a named figure donation by the FA to a charity in CS history, and that was only as dementia linked to ex-players was in the news and they know there is a massive liability case building.
 
Corky said:
The prize money was known as part of the £3.7m con and not charitable in any way, The prize money is often published, but only the amount from the gate that goes to the clubs, not the £1m sponsorship or TV money which is assumed some must do or the clubs played for free in 2020.

Yeah the Journalists are incorrect, the information is not in the public domain, and the FA won't critisise if they over estimate, however I expect the clubs who do get the money know how much it is so I would go with the latter.

You are going back to 1992-2002 & 2007, the premier league clubs don't want to be in the CS, they had to be paid off to make it worth while. A lot has changed in the last generation and the PL has the power.

The whole point of the criticism is that the CS money has zero transparency, and as you found yourself with only one bit of evidence of a named figure donation by the FA to a charity in CS history, and that was only as dementia linked to ex-players was in the news and they know there is a massive liability case building.
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The post I initially responded to stated that no money from the Charity Shield went to charity so they had to change its name, which is a blatant false statement. I go back to dates that are relevant to that conversation.
You've now waded in with some unrelated conspiracy level nonsense.

There isn't a 'con'. I doubt anybody decides to attend the CS because of the money it raises for good causes and they want to donate, they go because they want to watch a football match.
If they did, 1894 would be asking for a direct donation to the AS to lessen the impact of their boycott, wouldn't they? "Donate a portion of ticket money to AS and travel expenses to the food bank"...why haven't they? Have they even considered the impact on AS? "Let's pressure the FA by punishing the suffering beneficiaries of any charitable donation they make..." would just be fucking sick and if that even came into the equation in the decision to launch a boycott, they can fuck right off with all this "we City fans" shit.

The FA donate money to good causes off the back of the CS is not in dispute. The article you lift figures (good information) from is City telling us how it benefits their community programme (bad information).So what is your issue exactly? Where is 'the con'?
 
Tbilisi said:
I was one of the 3000 too.

They wont change with a few people in a bar watching on TV.
It needs all clubs to join together to find something that hurts TV/FA.

Unfortunately they wont give a toss at what 1894 are doing.
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Unfortunately you are right instead of getting praise from fans of ALL clubs for making a stand it will be spun out that city couldn't sell their seats ,shit fans etc etc
 
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