Chelsea Thread - 2023/24

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But City are being charged over rules that didnt exist at the time, hence the joke of 115 charges. So why not Chelsea ?
I didn't want to appear to be ignoring your question, so am replying. However, as a casual observer I must say that I can't answer with any degree of expertise.

My instinct is that trying to justify City's position based upon a comparison with Chelsea's isn't going to be very productive. I suspect that from a legal perspective it's like comparing apples to oranges.
 
I didn't want to appear to be ignoring your question, so am replying. However, as a casual observer I must say that I can't answer with any degree of expertise.

My instinct is that trying to justify City's position based upon a comparison with Chelsea's isn't going to be very productive. I suspect that from a legal perspective it's like comparing apples to oranges.
No, it’s comparing brown Arabic people with white Yanks, that’s the reality.
 
I didn't want to appear to be ignoring your question, so am replying. However, as a casual observer I must say that I can't answer with any degree of expertise.

My instinct is that trying to justify City's position based upon a comparison with Chelsea's isn't going to be very productive. I suspect that from a legal perspective it's like comparing apples to oranges.

Yea we are being charged over rules that didnt exist

You arent being fined over rules that didnt exist

Its simple really we just want all clubs treated the same which is clearly not the case
 
Yea we are being charged over rules that didnt exist
I'm certainly no expert and stand to be corrected, but my limited understanding is that the charges City face cover a fairly broad range, such as provision of financial information, manager and player remuneration, UEFA financial regs, P&S, assistance to Prem investigation.

If you're confident that there were no rules in place relevant to any of the above at the time of the alleged breaches then as a City fan you'll know way more about it than I do, and it's going to be a good day when Lord Pannick KC has all charges dismissed.

All I'm saying is that the charges are many and varied, so maybe a direct comparison with Chelsea isn't so helpful?
 
Shall we discuss his age and the future potential he was showing?

vs

the ages and "future potential" of the 170million's worth of "aging talent" that your lot got off the books ;)

Oscar and David Luiz were 25 and 26 when they were sold. Luiz still had future potential as PSG sold him 2 years later for 30 million, so did Oscar except he chose to retire in China.

Costa was in his prime at 29 years old on the back of a season he scored 20 league goals.

The Ferran Torres thing was tongue in cheek anyway :)
 
Oscar and David Luiz were 25 and 26 when they were sold. Luiz still had future potential as PSG sold him 2 years later for 30 million, so did Oscar except he chose to retire in China.

Costa was in his prime at 29 years old on the back of a season he scored 20 league goals.

The Ferran Torres thing was tongue in cheek anyway :)
We all defend our chosen clubs' mate, and we all sling a bit of mud around to make our points, I get it :)

I still reckon you stitched up Atletico (possibly much like we did to you with Sterling I suppose - don't like dissing him too much as I kinda liked him when he was here at City) with the Costa sale. He was past it and "shot" when he left your lot IMO.

AND...

I still reckon there was something a bit dodgy with both of the other two transfers (obviously I've got zero proof of this and all I've got is "because I think so"); as it was an awful lot of money at the time for players that you actually wanted rid of.
 
..Costa...was past it and "shot" when he left your lot IMO.
My understanding of the main reason he left at that time was that he fell out with Conte in a big way. I don't think he was in any way 'shot' at that point. He'd just bagged 20 Prem goals and helped us win the league title. On his return to Atleti he was credited by Simeone as a key ingredient in allowing Griezmann to fulfil his potential.
 
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We all defend our chosen clubs' mate, and we all sling a bit of mud around to make our points, I get it :)

I still reckon you stitched up Atletico (possibly much like we did to you with Sterling I suppose - don't like dissing him too much as I kinda liked him when he was here at City) with the Costa sale. He was past it and "shot" when he left your lot IMO.

AND...

I still reckon there was something a bit dodgy with both of the other two transfers (obviously I've got zero proof of this and all I've got is "because I think so"); as it was an awful lot of money at the time for players that you actually wanted rid of.
How were the two transfers a stitch up.
Must admit It never crossed my mind with the two transfers.
 
Jackson certainly looks an exciting player from the YouTube scouting I have done. Chelsea this season feel like a newly promoted team with some exciting players that you're interested to watch just to see how they do. At the very least it's a fascinating experiment they are attempting
 
Having gone back over some old articles and extrapolated the numbers I think Chelsea will fail 22/23 PL P&S and 23/24. Can’t see how they can’t fail 22/23. I reckon they left Mason Mount to 2023/24 to at least give them a chance of hitting 23/24

Maybe I have imagined it, but I thought Boehly had been given a one-off moratorium or FFP and P&S for 22/23?
 
Anyway back to the football.
I think Chelsea have done well this window so far.The Chelsea fans on here must be excited for the season to start .
Been wrong before though.
 
Anyway back to the football.
I think Chelsea have done well this window so far.The Chelsea fans on here must be excited for the season to start .
Been wrong before though.
Yeah, definitely excited. As @mrbelfry said, it's going to be fascinating to see how we get on.

I am of course aware that there will almost certainly be some problems.

However, for me personally I just want to see some progression, unity and enjoyment in the players.

Too often last season we had to see glum 'I don't really want to be here' faces. I'm thinking of you, Mount and Havertz.
 
Yeah, definitely excited. As @mrbelfry said, it's going to be fascinating to see how we get on.

I am of course aware that there will almost certainly be some problems.

However, for me personally I just want to see some progression, unity and enjoyment in the players. It's almost certain to be a transitional season for us.

Too often last season we had to see glum 'I don't really want to be here' faces. I'm thinking of you, Mount and Havertz.
The Mount transfer I just did not get the moaning.Could be wrong but the last couple of seasons his form went backwards at an alarming rate.
 
The Mount transfer I just did not get the moaning.Could be wrong but the last couple of seasons his form went backwards at an alarming rate.
I assume you're referring to the moaning from Chelsea fans?

I agree with you regarding Mount's form, or maybe even his level. In my family we've always seen Mason as a capable and efficient player, but also felt that he wasn't going to push on much more and had been playing at pretty much his top level for us in the last few seasons (barring last season of course).

The big thing for most Chelsea fans, I think, is that Mount always promoted himself as 'proper Chels', and he would say so on pretty much every occasion he could.

Yet as soon as shit got a bit real last season, he obviously decided he'd rather be at Utd. So, for me I can't now even stand to see his face with that smarmy little 'butter wouldn't melt' smile, because he was so false to us.

Imagine if Phil Foden did the same to you guys.

However, in the final analysis we got some great money for the snake, so all good :)
 
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I assume you're referring to the moaning from Chelsea fans?

I agree with you regarding Mount's form, or maybe even his level. In my family we've always seen Mason as a capable and efficient player, but also felt that he wasn't going to push on much more and had been playing at pretty much his top level for us in the last few seasons (barring last season of course).

The big thing for most Chelsea fans, I think, is that Mount always promoted himself as 'proper Chels', and he would say so on pretty much every occasion he could.

Yet as soon as shit got a bit real last season, he obviously decided he'd rather be at Utd. So, for me I can't now even stand to see his face with that smarmy little 'butter wouldn't melt' smile, because he was so false to us.

Imagine if Phil Foden did the same to you guys.

However, in the final analysis we got some great money for the snake, so all good :)
I was not having a dig about the Chelsea fans moaning but the way I see him as a vastly overrated player.
The money you got from the rags I thought was a great piece of business.
 
But no-one accuses Real Madrid of circumventing FFP when they received 70 million from us for Morata. Or Inter receiving 97 million from us for Lukaku. That's just bad spending on our part but god forbid we get a decent fee for a player and it's tin foil hats everywhere :)
Everyone’s at it. Rest assured if one club is doing it, a raft of them are.
 
I was not having a dig about the Chelsea fans moaning but the way I see him as a vastly overrated player.
The money you got from the rags I thought was a great piece of business.
I totally understood your point, and certainly didn't see it as a dig but rather a perspective that all is well.

I still love Kova, even though he did obviously down tools a bit last season - no doubt due to knowing he was off to City. Same for Havertz.
 
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