The PGMOL Apologies Thread

Tecumseh said:
Frankly, like the public sector, PGMOL enjoy the luxury that there is no effective sanction against poor performance . People who are crap or worse, clearly biased, should be fired, starting with Darren England.
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Judicial Review. Ombudsman.

Plus refs get promoted like teams do and if you don't ref you don't get a match fee.
 
Gone for a Burton said:
Not walk outs but sit it's after the final whistle.

Easier to organise, no in- match disruption.

Select two dates so that everyone gets a home game & away game.

Publicise the bollocks off the dates for max national & International media exposure.

Get the BLACK FLAGS out..but remember this is against all the authorities AND the complicit rags !!
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Have you got a black flag shop or some shit?

The only other people into black flags as much as you are anarchists and The Taliban.
 
flook said:
I understand that the "clear and obvious" element was included in the VAR implementation rules/criteria as a means to pacify elements of fans who were against the introduction of VAR on the basis that it would prolong and/or interrupt the flow of games were it to be used for every potential error, and again I believe this was widely accepted as a good call initially.

The issue now is that this watering down is seemingly being used to justify calls which benefit certain clubs on a pretty regular basis, which is wrong whatever the underlying cause/reason.

Those who call for VAR to be dropped on the basis that we should just go back to the on field ref are delusional if they think that that would change anything. Have they so soon forgotten the horrendous decisions made in just the same way and on an even more regular basis than since VAR was introduced?
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It’s being used totally different in the women’s World Cup. They are 100% over ruling on-field ref by trusting technology & checking every goal, penalty appeal.
 
cheekybids said:
I’m the opposite because no way would a ref who has a get out of “I didn’t see it” ever give that.

So it’s simple VAR can’t make mistakes. They’ve lied by saying it wasn’t clear & obvious when it was. Just apply the law & the cover up needs investigating by the premier league. Surely the members don’t just complain about City, surely they say it is important to re-referee when refs are shit scared of giving decisions at OT or Anfield against them.
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Howard Webb contacts Wolves over failure to award penalty
https://mol.im/a/12409145


He said: 'I don't think the officials are trying to favour one side. I just think it's human nature. If there's a decision you're not sure about, everyone would be impacted by the Old Trafford crowd and the fact it's Manchester United.

'That's why I think VAR should be able to help more in those situations. Before I spoke to Jon Moss I was told it was not a clear and obvious error.


This is admission that they are afraid to give decisions at OT & Anfield & precisely why he’s instructed the refs previously to go with the on-field decision. Yet in his statement above he’s throwing his refs under a bus & saying they shouldn’t. The only thing that’s taken him by surprise is the media fuelled by social media outrage. In his hey day the media were complicit with “it evens itself out” bullshit.

I’ll say it again the corruption is unspoken but you know to be rewarded (perform well) you look after Rags & Dippers. He’s got to the top of his field for doing it.
 
Var is a brilliant tool if used correctly, the main difference is a ref can always see something or not see it, VAR can not, we all have 4k and recordings so we can see VAR cheating on a weekly basis. time to sack the officials using VAR and bring in an independent company , a lot of people believe this new company would be just as corrupt, but not if after the match a club could challenge the incidents, leading to reparation, and the most serious costing European spots or relegation, the full cost of missing out all charged to the independent company.
 
yeah whatever !! said:
Perhaps they should do a review system like Cricket and Tennis,the captains have say 3 reviews per game.
If the captain thinks that the ref should go to the VAR screen (only circumstances that are are deemed worthy) then wouldn't this be a fair alternative?
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In the NFL, a coaches challenge system operates, in which a Head Coach may instigate a video review of play after any down, by throwing a red flag onto the field.
 
salfordbluetrue said:
Var is a brilliant tool if used correctly, the main difference is a ref can always see something or not see it, VAR can not, we all have 4k and recordings so we can see VAR cheating on a weekly basis. time to sack the officials using VAR and bring in an independent company , a lot of people believe this new company would be just as corrupt, but not if after the match a club could challenge the incidents, leading to reparation, and the most serious costing European spots or relegation, the full cost of missing out all charged to the independent company.
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What company is going to take that job then? "Come and regulate our game and if you make a mistake, we'll fine you millions." Yeah, no thanks.
 
yeah whatever !! said:
Perhaps they should do a review system like Cricket and Tennis,the captains have say 3 reviews per game.
If the captain thinks that the ref should go to the VAR screen (only circumstances that are are deemed worthy) then wouldn't this be a fair alternative?
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VAR is a review system. And it still gets it wrong. Why would it be any different if the manager instigated the review? It'd just be the same "yeah, we've checked and it's not a penalty."
 
RodneyRodney said:
Sorry, Wolves , but the fact is , you're not Manchester United.
Sorry, but that's just the way things are.
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That’s actually Webbs response….

“If there's a decision you're not sure about, everyone would be impacted by the Old Trafford crowd and the fact it's Manchester United.”

Imagine saying that as the head of all the referees to ensure impartiality. It’s your fucking job not to be impacted by the team & ground.

He should be sacked on the spot for that comment alone.
 
cheekybids said:
That’s actually Webbs response….

“If there's a decision you're not sure about, everyone would be impacted by the Old Trafford crowd and the fact it's Manchester United.”

Imagine saying that as the head of all the referees to ensure impartiality. It’s your fucking job not to be impacted by the team & ground.

He should be sacked on the spot for that comment alone.
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Agree, wtf is Webb on about. A total disgrace !
 
I'm With Stupid said:
VAR is a review system. And it still gets it wrong. Why would it be any different if the manager instigated the review? It'd just be the same "yeah, we've checked and it's not a penalty."
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In other sports , when technology is used the play is stopped and the criteria is usually a defining line .In cricket for example the technology is used when the umpire has indicated a batsman has been dismissed. For example LBW , the first thing checked is for a no ball, then contact with the bat , then if the ball would have made contact with the stumps, similar checks for a catch by the wicketkeeper. In Rugby(both codes) the technology is mostly used when a try is scored, again there are defining lines, although not as clear as cricket, criteria to be checked are was it a forward pass, are any players offside, was there a foot in touch, was the ball grounded properly. It In Tennis is the ball 'in' or 'out' .The only thing is comparable in Football with this is goal line technology , the ball is either over the line or not. This imo is why the techology used in Football is is not as effective and open to interpretation and possible manipulation. This and the fact that most importantly in the other sports mentioned the Referee/Umpire clarifies the decision to the watching audience and how it was reached.
 
bernard o'silver said:
In other sports , when technology is used the play is stopped and the criteria is usually a defining line .In cricket for example the technology is used when the umpire has indicated a batsman has been dismissed. For example LBW , the first thing checked is for a no ball, then contact with the bat , then if the ball would have made contact with the stumps, similar checks for a catch by the wicketkeeper. In Rugby(both codes) the technology is mostly used when a try is scored, again there are defining lines, although not as clear as cricket, criteria to be checked are was it a forward pass, are any players offside, was there a foot in touch, was the ball grounded properly. It In Tennis is the ball 'in' or 'out' .The only thing is comparable in Football with this is goal line technology , the ball is either over the line or not. This imo is why the techology used in Football is is not as effective and open to interpretation and possible manipulation. This and the fact that most importantly in the other sports mentioned the Referee/Umpire clarifies the decision to the watching audience and how it was reached.
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Well yeah. The other issue is the relative impact of a refereeing decision. A single incorrect point is unlikely to be the difference between winning and losing in tennis. No betting syndicates are bribing tennis umpires. Football referees on the other hand have an insane amount of power over the result. If you want to run a corrupt league, there's no better sport to choose.
 
cheekybids said:
It’s being used totally different in the women’s World Cup. They are 100% over ruling on-field ref by trusting technology & checking every goal, penalty appeal.
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And so is the premier league VAR, the point was if the check deems the error was not clear and obvious then the decision stays with the onfield ref. I have no idea if C&O is in play at the WWC so if what you meant was VAR are over-ruling irrespective of clear and obvious then thanks, I wasn't aware, and if so that's a definite change in narrative
 
flook said:
And so is the premier league VAR, the point was if the check deems the error was not clear and obvious then the decision stays with the onfield ref. I have no idea if C&O is in play at the WWC so if what you meant was VAR are over-ruling irrespective of clear and obvious then thanks, I wasn't aware, and if so that's a definite change in narrative
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They make the rules up as they go along to suit but normally they are unified with their story. Moss has fucked up apologising when Howard was in denial mode.

Clear & obvious
Subjective

All responses to allow for them to continue with the charade. I’m a fan of VAR, for the first 50 years I’ve been told ref didn’t see it. This at least shames the cheating cunts!
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
Sky use the drama and bullshit regulary to keep their viewing figures, BUT never call for reform or accountability.

No need to ask why really.
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Of course SKY and the other broadcasters won't call for reform or accountability of VAR... they are the main drivers behind its corrupt implementation!

The broadcasters want their cash cow with its 6 billion Asian armchair supporters to remain relevant so they pressure the PL who in turn pressure PGMOL to make it so.
 
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