Middle East Conflict

Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
If only the answer to an age old war was that simple.

There is not a chance Israel will let ‘low level fighters’ go off into exile. Those same fighters more than likely took part in a massacre last week. How would you even know who was lower ranked?

They’ve also been trying to cut off routes for years and haven’t been able to do it, especially when countries like Iran are supplying them.

Hamas as a group can’t continue, especially after last week. War might not be the right answer, but it’s not a shock to see Israel wanting to fight back against a massacre.
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Israel has one of the most sophisticated intelligence networks in the world.

There are ways of finding out.

Some killers will slip through the net, of course. But once they leave they won't be able to come back and their usefulness to jihad will be minimal.

Identified butchers don't need to be given safe passage.
 
The blue phantom said:
Not a peep about what, Are you saying Israel have the right to use White Phosphorus?
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No they shouldnt be using it.
- I'm just asking why the big who-ha about Isreal using some and the complete silence from the human rights brigade about Russia using truck loads of the stuff mostly every day for a huge proportion of the 597 days of the war so far?
 
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philiph20 said:
And 'sleepy Joe' and that Charlatan in Downing Street will say nothing. apart from 'we stand by Israel', any idea why dumb fuck Sunak has send the RN and marines there?, unless it's to help evacuate UK citizens why are we there? Is he looking for his Thatcher Falkands moment albeit on a much smaller scale?.
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They aren't Royal Navy ships.
 
domalino said:
I don’t know if you’ve been paying attention for the last 20 years but Israel killing loads of Palestinian civilians, bombing them to hell, blocking the borders, not allowing them to have power or aid or fish in the Mediterranean or have an airport or a seaport and continually building new settlements has done absolutely nothing to protect Israeli families.

They cannot stop this with violence.

They will invade, kill 40-60,000 people (half of whom are children) and the Hamas leadership will be watching from Qatar laughing themselves silly that they’ve just got another generation of recruits.
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Kill 40-60,000 people, seriously?
 
blueinsa said:
One thing is certain, when you watch what human beings can do to each other, I’m 100% sure there is no God because if there was, no way would he let us do any of this barbaric shit to each other.
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So you’re not buying into the ‘he moves in mysterious ways’ narrative then!?

Outside of the clear nonsense of it all, It’s amazing to think these lot actually believe in the same god?
 
mexico1970 said:
There is an alternative it's just that nobody is actually saying it, Israel need to not exist it needs moving or be moved and no other solution is acceptable.

Hamas want them dead, you get the feeling that if Israel was uprooted and moved to bloody Kansas some Hamas nuts will find them and try to eradicate them.

Has anyone got a solution that Hamas would listen to?
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Hamas is 30-40,000 fighters and maybe 2x that in hangers on in a population of 2.4million.

They are such a tiny minority that if you offered the people of Gaza a choice between Hamas and freedom, secure boundaries, hospitals, food, power etc then there’s only one winner and it’s not Hamas, they’d be a tiny minority overnight and all but gone in a few years.

You have to offer people an alternative if you want them to abandon someone - after all that’s how Israel got rid of the PLO.

Remember the median age in Gaza is 18. The last election in Gaza was 17 years ago.
 
Eds said:
How many more times does this need to repeated. Hamas do not sit in buildings in an area where there aren't other buildings with a big sign up saying Hamas is here. They will store weapons in mosques, hospitals, schools, civilian homes etc - this is a fact and cannot be disputed despite what people on here think. They base themselves deliberately in civilian areas. Today Israel has warned civilians in the North of Gaza to evacuate, what have Hamas said. Told them it's all fake propaganda and to remain where they are. When Hamas tell you to stay where you are, that's what a lot of people do as they are scared for their own lives.
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They’re evil monsters and fundamentally a load of cowards. Same bracket as ISIS.
 
Shirley said:
Kill 40-60,000 people, seriously?
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If they launch a ground invasion to get their people back it’s hard to imagine they’ll get away with less than 1% civilian casualties given how densely populated Gaza is, the fact there’s nowhere for them to flee and Israel has shown it’s got no qualms about using inaccurate area weapons.

Then there’s all the civilians who’ll die from to a lack of power, medicine and food.
 
Eds said:
How many more times does this need to repeated. Hamas do not sit in buildings in an area where there aren't other buildings with a big sign up saying Hamas is here. They will store weapons in mosques, hospitals, schools, civilian homes etc - this is a fact and cannot be disputed despite what people on here think. They base themselves deliberately in civilian areas. Today Israel has warned civilians in the North of Gaza to evacuate, what have Hamas said. Told them it's all fake propaganda and to remain where they are. When Hamas tell you to stay where you are, that's what a lot of people do as they are scared for their own lives.
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Hammas have less care for the poor innocent lives that will be lost than the Isrealis do . I'd have thought those who quite rightly are appalled at the actions Isreal will take , give Hammas a free ride just because it doesnt suit their agenda
 
BlueAnorak said:
No they shouldnt be using it.
- I'm just asking why the big who-ha about Isreal using some and the complete silence from the human rights brigade about Russia using truck loads of the stuff mostly every day for a huge proportion of the 597 days of the war so far?
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Because we all constantly being told that the Russians are acting like cunts (which they are) whereas we have a lot of talking heads trying to tell us that the Israeli response is completely justified, regardless of how they conduct themselves. Melting people with white phosphorous is never justified. It's a chemical weapon and a war crime.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
Sunak and Starmer were helped a bit into power (indirectly) by Jewish lobbyists and the Labour Party central office throwing an election. This includes Corbin’s failure to act on allegations of antisemitism. Rishi owes Israel so this limited show of force, alongside Joe’s more meaningful effort, is aimed at reassuring Israel and deterring anti Israel states.
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Do you want to expand upon your argument that ‘Rishi owes Israel’?

And in fact how Corbyn’s failure to act on Anti-semitism contributed to the decision for the UK to make a token offer of logistical assistance to Israel?

Or detail the Jewish lobbyists you mention, and what they have to do with Israel?
 
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