Middle East Conflict

west didsblue said:
Tell the pro-Palestinian protesters who were out in Manchester supporting “Palestinian resistance” while the Hamas slaughter was still under way on 8 October.
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That pissed me off too. Like I mentioned earlier, I've seen people supporting Hamas who wouldn't last a second if they met them face to face. Gay people, transgender people, it makes no sense.
I was referring to people who actually support innocent Palestinian people being tarred with the Pro Hamas brush
 
CTID1988 said:
Oh I definitely agree on that. There was a video of a transgender woman protesting and supporting Hamas, would love to see her go over there and proclaim her support to their faces. See how that ends up
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It does seem incredibly weird. All religions are right wing, that is what they are, ultra conservative. But at the risk of being called racist, the most far right religion by far is Islam. That the left have 'jumped into bed' with a far right organisation just beggars belief.
 
CTID1988 said:
That pissed me off too. Like I mentioned earlier, I've seen people supporting Hamas who wouldn't last a second if they met them face to face. Gay people, transgender people, it makes no sense.
I was referring to people who actually support innocent Palestinian people being tarred with the Pro Hamas brush
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If they’d called off the 8 October protest when it was clear that hundreds of Israelis were still being murdered and had it a week later instead once the Gaza bombing was under way I might have had some respect for them. But as it is, those that were there on 8 October have shown their true colours, and I’ve seen no criticism of them from supposed moderate supporters of the Palestinian people.
 
Palerider said:
This mess is not an easy task for any world leader. Israel is, by necessity I think, right wing. Hamas are to the right of Hitler and the Ku Klux Klan put together. Why the left support them I will never know (unless it's because they are the poor (financially) relation in this).
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And the current Israeli Government? There people in cabinet positions who would not be allowed to stand in elections in most countries

People like you don't seem to realise that the murder and mistreatment of Palestinians by settlers and the IDF on the West Bank is almost a daily occurance, now tell me if your country was occupied and you suffered daily indignities and your life was in danger every time you went out, how would you react?

They are an oppressed people like it or not and Israel is the oppressor, surely you can agree that this issue needs sorting out first and foremost
 
Palerider said:
It does seem incredibly weird. All religions are right wing, that is what they are, ultra conservative. But at the risk of being called racist, the most far right religion by far is Islam. That the left have 'jumped into bed' with a far right organisation just beggars belief.
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They deliver a block vote, is generally the reason.
 


Sorry to post a video of Morgan, but I think this is fantastic, funny and tragic interview (because of the guest, not Morgan)
 
Palerider said:
It does seem incredibly weird. All religions are right wing, that is what they are, ultra conservative. But at the risk of being called racist, the most far right religion by far is Islam. That the left have 'jumped into bed' with a far right organisation just beggars belief.
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The "far right" doesn't and hasn't had a monopoly on acting like cunts.

Political and religious extremists are invariably utter fruitcakes.
 
west didsblue said:
If they’d called off the 8 October protest when it was clear that hundreds of Israelis were still being murdered and had it a week later instead once the Gaza bombing was under way I might have had some respect for them. But as it is, those that were there on 8 October have shown their true colours, and I’ve seen no criticism of them from supposed moderate supporters of the Palestinian people.
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Surely you can support the assumption that Palestinians deserve either equal rights and benefits as the rest of the Israeli population or a state of their own, if you don't agree what do you do about the problem, mass transfer of population? Carry on oppressing them ?

And surely you can see that part of the problem is the treatment of the Palestinians, it's quite obvious to me, perhaps I am missing something
 
Dax777 said:
The evidence convinced me it was a Hamas supported misfired rocket.

The lack of a crater, the burning fire after contact, the Ariel surveillance, the lack of building structural damage, the wiretapped Hamas phone discussion, and the visual and infrared evidence all point in one direction.

Sure, could this all have been faked? Possibly. But unlikely.


I'm going to conclude the obvious. Hamas error.
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Is this wire tapping carried out by the Isreali intelligence , the same intelligence service that had no idea terrorist attacks were going to happen 10 days ago. Doesn't seem like a trustworthy source to me.

Same goes for the strategic bombing being carried out. We are being asked to be believe that 10 days ago they had no idea an attack was imminent but now they suddenly have military targets for 6000 bombs? Im no expert but is that plausible?
 
based on the evidence and reports I’ve seen, it seems like Hamas or a similar group were the cause of the hospital explosion and mass casualties.

They claim to represent the people of Palestine, but they’ve now mass murdered hundreds of the innocent people they apparently stand for. They were also willing to fire missiles next to a hospital full of sick people.

This group are evil.
 
Ducado said:
Surely you can support the assumption that Palestinians deserve either equal rights and benefits as the rest of the Israeli population or a state of their own, if you don't agree what do you do about the problem, mass transfer of population? Carry on oppressing them ?

And surely you can see that part of the problem is the treatment of the Palestinians, it's quite obvious to me, perhaps I am missing something
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Of course I agree with that but surely it should be clear to anyone that the optics of having a pro-Palestinian demo literally during the tail end of a massacre perpetrated by Palestinian terrorists aren’t great.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
based on the evidence and reports I’ve seen, it seems like Hamas or a similar group were the cause of the hospital explosion and mass casualties.

They claim to represent the people of Palestine, but they’ve now mass murdered hundreds of the innocent people they apparently stand for. They were also willing to fire missiles next to a hospital full of sick people.

This group are evil.
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Did you need this incident to tell you that?

They are just another aspect of the madness that has consumed the region

The Israeli government is the most right wing and the most opposed to any peace settlement and are commiting daily horrors on the west bank are they evil as well?
 
Palerider said:
It does seem incredibly weird. All religions are right wing, that is what they are, ultra conservative. But at the risk of being called racist, the most far right religion by far is Islam. That the left have 'jumped into bed' with a far right organisation just beggars belief.
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Not really, it just shows that the majority don't have a fucking clue about it.
 
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