Middle East Conflict

Prestwich_Blue said:
What is the way to go about it?

They're not a "freedom movement", unless your view of freedom is a Middle East free of Jews. They're not representative of the ordinary Gazan. They're a brutal, antisemitic, ideologically-driven terrorist group that's as brutal to its own people as it is to Israelis. They're an arm of the lunatic, equally unrepresentative Iranian regime. There's a piece in the current Private Eye from someone in Gaza laying bare just what a bunch of vicious animals they are.

One of their torture centres was in an unused outpatient clinic at the Al Shifa hospital. Extra-judicial executions, imprisonment without trial, brutal repression of dissent, torture as government policy. October 7th was the equivalent of them signing their own P45. They knew what the reaction would be and, as usual, sheltered behind the innocent men, women and children of Gaza. They welcome every single death of the people they're supposed to be representing, the more the merrier as far as they're concerned.

Are people seriously asking why Western governments are seemingly supporting Israel in its battle to wipe them out? They're the same people who murdered thousands of innocents when they flew planes into buildings, detonated bombs on buses and tube trains in London, massacred 22 people here in Manchester and injured over 1,000 others. And that's without the misery they've inflicted on the people of Yemen, Iraq and other places.

They talk about martyrdom but 30,000 of them hide in well-stocked tunnels, with plenty of food, water and arms, while the vast majority of Gazans go hungry, thirsty and without adequate medical care, and risk being killed. They (Hamas) are vermin and every right-thinking person should want to see them wiped out.

The two good things that might come out of this are that Netanyahu won't survive politically and the slimy cockroach won't ever be back, along with his nasty, right-wing backers. And that the people of Gaza might get a government that actually cares about them more than it cares about killing Israelis.
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I would happily see Hamas wiped out but I don't think razing Gaza to the ground will achieve that unfortunately. I hope you're right though and that this is the end of Netanyahu. An Israeli leader that actively looks to improve the quality of lives of Palestinian people and support Palestinians in building a functioning society will weaken Hamas and make them more of an irrelevance more than dropping bombs on hospitals and refugee camps.
 
Roachy said:
Name these posters then.
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Well, this doesn't sound like someone in favour of stopping the bombing...

Roachy said:
I'm totally aware of the effects of different types of ordnance on specific targets and the surrounding area. What I'm disputing is you stating every single crossroad has been hit coupled with claiming that precision guided weapons are much worse than carpet bombing.
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Roachy said:
Name these posters then.
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Tbf, there were plenty of posters that supported the bombing when it started, saying things like Hamas knew what would happen, or what alternative do the Israelis have? There are significantly less now, which presumably means Hamas may have known what to expect but the posters didn't and they now think there are some alternatives?
 
halfcenturyup said:
Tbf, there were plenty of posters that supported the bombing when it started, saying things like Hamas knew what would happen, or what alternative do the Israelis have? There are significantly less now, which presumably means Hamas may have known what to expect but the posters didn't and they now think there are some alternatives?
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Saying hammas knew it would happen is not supporting it
 
Vic said:
Well, this doesn't sound like someone in favour of stopping the bombing...
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Put the post I was responding to in for context just for good measure. Please dissect my post and then return with any rationale as to how you've determined that.
 
trueblue1972 said:
Saying hammas knew it would happen is not supporting it
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Justifying then. Doesn't really change my point, though.

Look, it doesn't bother me what your opinions on this are, but are you honestly telling me that you didn't support the bombing when it started?
 
halfcenturyup said:
Justifying then. Doesn't really change my point, though.

Look, it doesn't bother me what your opinions on this are, but are you honestly telling me that you didn't support the bombing when it started?
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It's not justifying it either , it's saying they give less of a toss about the people they govern than the isrealis do . Do I support innocents being killed hell I don't, do I think it was inevitable that many would yes I do ,
 
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