Middle East Conflict

[Roachy]

To prove exactly what, effects of 1000lb or 2000lb bomb explosion on the surrounding area? Their is daily footage of 6,7,8,etc floor-building collapsing without being directly hit. It is like Oklahoma City bombing all over Gaza City. But that is what I said, once you say to yourself 'We are Israel and Israel is us' and feel how it sits with you, it is much easier to bend your own perception of what is going on.

I'm totally aware of the effects of different types of ordnance on specific targets and the surrounding area. What I'm disputing is you stating every single crossroad has been hit coupled with claiming that precision guided weapons are much worse than carpet bombing.

 

[kaz7]

It's just as horrible to accuse of the same crime without evidence.
You weren't talking about recent history.
You are accusing a specific group at a specific time of a specific act, without a shred of evidence.
Not only are you accusing, you are sure it's happened.

Russians rape ukranian women and girls , it is a sad fact that soldiers who behead babies wont think twice about rape and murder , it is used to terrorsise populations

 

[Oldham Exile]

I don’t know why people don’t just wait until it’s been confirmed whose bomb it was before jumping to conclusions. It took about ten days for the one in August 2022 to be confirmed it was Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

This is a similar situation. If it was Israel, it will be proven eventually.

Having been catching up on this thread and reading many pages - I would suggest that maybe because there are a number of posters that are more concerned that waiting for the truth could be perhaps seen as inconvenient as they want to have the thread steered towards their firm bias

 

[mosssideblue]

What you and I might say and what the president of the worlds most powerful country are very different standards. I appreciate he is very old, but frankly I don’t think it’s rude to say that he’s probably a bit too old for his job.

As I said, not sure his words were the best, but Ivan understand why

 

[The blue phantom]

Having been catching up on this thread and reading many pages - I would suggest that maybe because there are a number of posters that are more concerned that waiting for the truth could be perhaps seen as inconvenient as they want to have the thread steered towards their firm bias

So what you're saying is when every news organisation has a breaking news banner saying Israel have bombed a Hospital, We shouldn't post those words?

 

[CTID1988]

Having been catching up on this thread and reading many pages - I would suggest that maybe because there are a number of posters that are more concerned that waiting for the truth could be perhaps seen as inconvenient as they want to have the thread steered towards their firm bias

Waiting for the truth? basically every single major news outlet published that Israel bombed a hospital. Who are the public supposed to trust if we can't trust that, who exactly do we wait for to give us the truth

 

[SWP's back]

We're constantly told that Hamas want to wipe Israel off the map.

Yes, by Hamas.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Having been catching up on this thread and reading many pages - I would suggest that maybe because there are a number of posters that are more concerned that waiting for the truth could be perhaps seen as inconvenient as they want to have the thread steered towards their firm bias

You’re not trying to suggest that there are two sides to this conflict and that they tend to believe their own side more than the other?

 

[BringBackSwales]

As I said, not sure his words were the best, but Ivan understand why

Yeah I can understand why too. He is a doddery old man who is too old and frail for such a big job. In my opinion only of course

 

[MouldensChippy]

So what you're saying is when every news organisation has a breaking news banner saying Israel have bombed a Hospital, We shouldn't post those words?

There's a very old saying............ Here it is, printed all the way back in 1710 by Jonathon Swift

Besides, as the vilest Writer has his Readers, so the greatest Liar has his Believers; and it often happens, that if a Lie be believ’d only for an Hour, it has done its Work, and there is no farther occasion for it. Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it; so that when Men come to be undeceiv’d, it is too late; the Jest is over, and the Tale has had its Effect…

It has evolved into numerous similar, though more modern sayings, such as ........

A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its boots on.

This seems to be of zero interest, or consequence to many in this particular thread.

 

[Postman Pep]

Russians rape ukranian women and girls , it is a sad fact that soldiers who behead babies wont think twice about rape and murder , it is used to terrorsise populations

So even when everbody has tacitly agreed that the beheaded babies story was bullshit ... on account of the IDF repeatedly saying they have no evidence to support such a claim you are still running with it?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Yeah I can understand why too. He is a doddery old man who is too old and frail for such a big job. In my opinion only of course

We’re lucky it’s not Trump. He’d have said some shite blaming Hunter Biden before moving the US embassy to Gaza Strip.

 

[mosssideblue]

Yeah I can understand why too. He is a doddery old man who is too old and frail for such a big job. In my opinion only of course

He is too old, but much rather him being in power than Trump

 

[MouldensChippy]

We’re lucky it’s not Trump. He’d have said some shite blaming Hunter Biden before moving the US embassy to Gaza Strip.

We all know, and understand that Trump was/is a bit of a knob, but his Abraham Accords were bringing normalisation of ties between Israel, and many of its Arab neighbours, including up until recently the diplomatic process including Saudi Arabia.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

You’re not trying to suggest that there are two sides to this conflict and that they tend to believe their own side more than the other?

If anything, this atrocity could mean that there at lest 3 sides since the Gaza civilians are getting shafted by Israel and Hamas.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

If anything, this atrocity could mean that there at lest 3 sides since the Gaza civilians are getting shafted by Israel and Hamas.

That could be a game changer though if they can challenge Hamas politically.

No doubt they’ll be silenced though.

 

[BobKowalski]

Yeah I can understand why too. He is a doddery old man who is too old and frail for such a big job. In my opinion only of course

Yet, Biden turned up in Israel as he did in Ukraine. He didn’t have to make the trip, could have sent the VP, or left it to Blinken. Staying at home would have been much easier and no one would have said otherwise.

Biden in Israel at this moment is a big deal and he is at least smart enough to realise that. For an old man he does get about and that in itself is taxing.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

What really pisses me off is the people wheeled out on TV basically saying any criticism of Israel is anti-Jew. Its a stupid viewpoint and helps nothing, so why do the news allow it

This guy Richard Kemp who helped the allied troops to defeat in Afghanistan keeps getting rolled out as an Israeli shill. He also uses the term collateral damage frequently.

 

[kaz7]

So even when everbody has tacitly agreed that the beheaded babies story was bullshit ... on account of the IDF repeatedly saying they have no evidence to support such a claim you are still running with it?

That is what i am still hearing in the media , change behead to kill and the rest of my post , address that please

 

[Scottyboi]

That is what i am still hearing in the media , change behead to kill and the rest of my post , address that please

Yep this is because the media were shown gopro footage from hamas militants of what they did and the aftermath. Israeli commander said they wouldn't show them the rapes and beheaded babies though but that the footage exists.

The horror as Israeli authorities show footage of Hamas atrocities: Reporter's Notebook

The video was part of the Israeli military's effort to document and publicize the Oct. 7 atrocities, when Hamas militants launched an unprecedented attack on Israel.

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