Suella Braverman - sacked as Home Secretary (p394)

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Rather broader than Jeremy Corbyn's broad appeal, which was all that mattered. Mate.

In electoral terms yes, but winning first past the post is not about broad appeal, if it was, then three times winner Margaret Thatcher, one of the most divisive Prime Ministers we've ever had, would never have occupied 10 Downing Street.

The myth of "broad appeal" Johnson is just that, a myth, it was not true in 2019 and it's certainly not true now.
 
There's 77m people in this country I think and I only suggested 70m of them are hypocrites. I suspect that's perhaps about right, in terms of the numbers of people who broke no lockdown rules at all. My wife and I stuck to the rules pretty well, but I cannot say there were no situations where we didn't quite stay within the letter of them. God knows how many people had visitors when they shouldn't have, drove somewhere they shouldn't have, had 2 extra people at a wedding etc etc. It was rife.

I am actually no supporter of Boris, but I do think a PM being hounded out of office over such trivia - and yes, IMO, it is trivia - was pretty ridiculous. It was not like he was paying for sex with a minor like Berlusconi for example.
There aren’t 70 million people in this country. And of the 68 million that are approximately in this country the population of young children aged between 0 and 4 years old in the United Kingdom is estimated to be 3.78 million, so I reckon we can rule them out.
Methinks you’re possibly fabricating your statistics.
 
That people were not allowed in wasn’t government policy but rather local policy of each hospital and care homes. The trust Mrs MB works at allowed relatives of palliative patients in to see their loved ones.

Your ire is well founded on this but should be directed at those who made the decisions.
My ire is correctly directed at those within government who repeatedly flouted the rules they themselves had set while the rest of the country observed the national and in some cases local directives. My concern isn’t with the rules it’s the fact that Johnson and his cronies broke them….repeatedly and without any shame or contrition. In fact there’s still idiots defending him now after he’s been fined by the police.
 
There aren’t 70 million people in this country. And of the 68 million that are approximately in this country the population of young children aged between 0 and 4 years old in the United Kingdom is estimated to be 3.78 million, so I reckon we can rule them out.
Methinks you’re possibly fabricating your statistics.
Me thinks you should stop reading too much into a simple brain fart, 67 vs 77.
 
In electoral terms yes, but winning first past the post is not about broad appeal, if it was, then three times winner Margaret Thatcher, one of the most divisive Prime Ministers we've ever had, would never have occupied 10 Downing Street.

The myth of "broad appeal" Johnson is just that, a myth, it was not true in 2019 and it's certainly not true now.
This is all academic nonsense (especially considering the thread is not about Boris Johnson). But broad support has to be seen in the context of our political system. On the basis that he got a - what was it 80? - seat majority, taking Labour seats that had been Labour for donkey's years, then in my book that qualifies. If you don't agree, then fine, this is a hill you might want to die on but it's not for me.
 
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In electoral terms yes, but winning first past the post is not about broad appeal, if it was, then three times winner Margaret Thatcher, one of the most divisive Prime Ministers we've ever had, would never have occupied 10 Downing Street.

The myth of "broad appeal" Johnson is just that, a myth, it was not true in 2019 and it's certainly not true now.
Love her or hate her: Thatcher had three big election wins on the bounce. For me, that says she had broad appeal.
Sames as Blair.
 
She should be but she has Sunak backed into a corner where he's down to the bare bones of their support. She goes and it starts eating into that support. He has nowhere to go.
But what can they do? Kick him out and have a 4th PM? Do they go back to the members and risk having Liz Truss again?

Sunak may have minimal support but they can't change PM again. So in a way he has more clout than he thinks.
 
Hanging on by her Freddy Kruger fingernails apparently, what she did was a very serious breach of the ministerial code and she would have known this, it was a direct challenge to Sunak
 
As I have said on here just now and repeatedly previously, I am not a supporter of Boris Johnson.

And whilst many were appalled at his lockdown rule-breaking - to whatever extent it was - actually I wasn't one of them. I really couldn't give a toss about it, but that's just my personal view. What I would say though is that it certainly felt like there were rather more or his tory enemies and also labour supporters who were appalled, so I think there was absolutely political capital being made over it.

Anyway, this thread is not about Johnson is it, so let's move on.
For someone who’s not a supporter, it seems odd that you’ve swallowed his excuse that it was a political hit job. Plenty of Tories were as disgusted with him as supporters of the other parties were.
 
For someone who’s not a supporter, it seems odd that you’ve swallowed his excuse that it was a political hit job. Plenty of Tories were as disgusted with him as supporters of the other parties were.
Of course there were. Never said otherwise, in fact I said exactly the above. And I am not into "his excuse", it is simply my opinion. But opposition MP does something questionable and opposition pounce upon it. Shock horror. I seem to remember the Tories having a right good go at Starmer's drinks do as well.
 
She should be but she has Sunak backed into a corner where he's down to the bare bones of their support. She goes and it starts eating into that support. He has nowhere to go.
Could Sunak do a cabinet reshuffle and shove her as minister for transport?

Then she’s not sacked, just moved out of the limelight.
 
My ire is correctly directed at those within government who repeatedly flouted the rules they themselves had set while the rest of the country observed the national and in some cases local directives. My concern isn’t with the rules it’s the fact that Johnson and his cronies broke them….repeatedly and without any shame or contrition. In fact there’s still idiots defending him now after he’s been fined by the police.
I’m not condoning what the tories did re the rules but when others are shown having beers and curries then all I can think about is rank hypocrisy from some of the critics
 
. But broad support has to be seen in the context of our political system. On the basis that he got a - what was it 80? - seat majority, taking Labour seats that had been Labour for donkey's years, then in my book that qualifies.
In your book yes, because for you words mean whatever you want them to mean.
 
Could Sunak do a cabinet reshuffle and shove her as minister for transport?

Then she’s not sacked, just moved out of the limelight.
He wouldn't get away with that, the three big cabinet posts are Home Secretary, Chancellor and Foreign Secretary.

You forcibly move someone from any one of those posts, it's not a demotion, it's a sacking.
 
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Of course there were. Never said otherwise, in fact I said exactly the above. And I am not into "his excuse", it is simply my opinion. But opposition MP does something questionable and opposition pounce upon it. Shock horror. I seem to remember the Tories having a right good go at Starmer's drinks do as well.
That would be Starmer who said he'd resign if the Police fined him...
 

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