Suella Braverman - sacked as Home Secretary (p394)

[mexico1970]

You don't have to be white to be British

He didn't say that.

 

[blueparrot]

Can you be a “bit” racist?

Fair point. I think you can be unintentionally racist with a thoughtless statement, and a little pointer should make you think about it. No though you can’t be bit racist

 

[blueparrot]

Yeah...I repeated what you said. How dare he mention non whites.

Other stuff is obviously fair game though.

No you didn’t you picked out a couple of words, are you in the media?

 

[mexico1970]

No you didn’t you picked out a couple of words, are you in the media?

No I didn't you said that because he mentioned non whites he might be a bit racist.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

That isn't the way it works, only stupid people think like that and I never took you for stupid.

In the context of nasty names it probably should.

Does racism genuinely effect white people as much as a black person who had to deal with it growing up and gets triggered by it? Unless you are traumatised by something or mentally ill you just need to get on with it.

 

[blueparrot]

No I didn't you said that because he mentioned non whites he might be a bit racist.

I said because he assumed those non whites were immigrants he might be racist. It isn’t difficult to read a whole post you know.

 

[mexico1970]

In the context of nasty names it probably should.

Does racism genuinely effect white people as much as a black person who had to deal with it growing up and gets triggered by it? Unless you are traumatised by something or mentally ill you just need to get on with it.

There is a place for discussion on racism and that starts with equality, without that we can't progress.

A bit like you can call some women a **** but you can't others, who the fuck is making these decisions :)

 

[meltonblue]

No I didn't you said that because he mentioned non whites he might be a bit racist.

Depends on the context he was applying to it rather than the specific words he used, which I think is what people are questioning. It did read oddly in the context of the discussion, which is why I questioned what point he was actually trying to make as I’m still not sure.

 

[stonerblue]

He didn't say that.

Banging on about immigration then banging on about 'non whit identifying' benefit recipients as if they must be immigrants because they're not white.

 

[mexico1970]

Depends on the context he was applying to it rather than the specific words he used, which I think is what people are questioning. It did read oddly in the context of the discussion, which is why I questioned what point he was actually trying to make as I’m still not sure.

You might not agree with what someone says mate but reading between non existent lines and calling it the truth isn't on.

As you say you weren't sure what point he was trying to make, clarification without making someone appear stupid (Not you) would be a starting point.

 

[mexico1970]

Banging on about immigration then banging on about 'non whit identifying' benefit recipients as if they must be immigrants because they're not white.

He didn't say all British were whites, do you believe he thinks that?

 

[Phil1]

Depends on the context he was applying to it rather than the specific words he used, which I think is what people are questioning. It did read oddly in the context of the discussion, which is why I questioned what point he was actually trying to make as I’m still not sure.

It felt like an after thought to me, threw in the second part after maybe seeing his initial line may look a bit off.

 

[mexico1970]

It felt like an after thought to me, threw in the second part after maybe seeing his initial line may look a bit off.

Absolutely Phil.

 

[inchy14]

No I didn't you said that because he mentioned non whites he might be a bit racist.

He didn’t really need to say anything for the rest of us to work it out.

He’s a fucking racist knob.

 

[meltonblue]

You might not agree with what someone says mate but reading between non existent lines and calling it the truth isn't on.

As you say you weren't sure what point he was trying to make, clarification without making someone appear stupid (Not you) would be a starting point.

Indeed, that’s exactly why I asked him to clarify his point. Must admit it does make me slightly more dubious when someone doesn’t reply to that to clarify it though!

 

[mexico1970]

He didn’t really need to say anything for the rest of us to work it out.

He’s a fucking racist knob.

Nothing he said was racist, do you think only white people can be racist?

How would you categorise people who identify as non white?

 

[Aphex]

I wouldn’t burn you at the stake mate but I’d try educating you however it seems you’re a lost cause and for that reason I’m out.

Like I said, I'll live with it mate. There is room for other opinions. Despite the clambering for a perfectly diverse utopia that is consistently pushed on here. Woe betide a different view.

 

[blueparrot]

Nothing he said was racist, do you think only white people can be racist?

How would you categorise people who identify as non white?

Not as immigrants, would you ? Because as we were talking about immigrants and he hasn’t tried to change that impression,he was.

 

[Phil1]

Like I said, I'll live with it mate. There is room for other opinions. Despite the clambering for a perfectly diverse utopia that is consistently pushed on here. Woe betide a different view.

There will never be a perfectly diverse utopia but we can certainly do better than we are now.

 

[mexico1970]

Not as immigrants, would you ? Because as we were talking about immigrants and he hasn’t tried to change that impression,he was.

I genuinely see people as people mate, it's the cultural and religious shit that gets in the way not colour. People identify as a colour because that's what the govt of the day wants us to do.

They actually pigeonhole us in the census.