dadnlad
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i knew a 20 mph welshman would be along soon enough
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Alan Harper's Tash
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The lack of hard shoulder is their biggest issue. Nowhere safe to break down.Generally, yes, although you do get speed increases between the gantries. Ultimately, they'll go to average speed cameras, they just weren't available for changing speed limits previously.
Statistically, they're also safer than normal motorways (and definitely than high speed A roads) but they appear to be the engineering equivalent of us and FFP as far as the media are concerned...
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It’s true though, isn’t it? Even the people that loathe speed cameras slow down to avoid getting fined and points.i knew a 20 mph welshman would be along soon enough
bluesince76
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You should see the stats on the number of people killed and seriously injured on the hard shoulder.The lack of hard shoulder is their biggest issue. Nowhere safe to break down.
There's only one point I ever want anyone to take from a discussion on smart motorways - the hard shoulder is not a safe place. Don't stop on it unless you have to and, if you do, get out of the car and stand behind the barrier to the rear of your own vehicle.
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Oh, for sure, but it’s safer than stopping in the near side lane.You should see the stats on the number of people killed and seriously injured on the hard shoulder.
There's only one point I ever want anyone to take from a discussion on smart motorways - the hard shoulder is not a safe place. Don't stop on it unless you have to and, if you do, get out of the car and stand behind the barrier to the rear of your own vehicle.
Surely a hard shoulder is better than 4 active lanes called "smart"You should see the stats on the number of people killed and seriously injured on the hard shoulder.
There's only one point I ever want anyone to take from a discussion on smart motorways - the hard shoulder is not a safe place. Don't stop on it unless you have to and, if you do, get out of the car and stand behind the barrier to the rear of your own vehicle.
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A hard shoulder was generally regarded as a safe haven (rag managers exepted obviously)
Now, your at the mercy of the smart operators, and it's fucking scary.
I ride my bikes in Wales all the time, I have no problem with complying to the 20 limit.i knew a 20 mph welshman would be along soon enough
Gives me more time to select my chosen sheep for later ;-)
Said like a true merc owner ;-)The lack of hard shoulder is their biggest issue. Nowhere safe to break down.
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I know that I’m going to pay for this, but I’ve never had a breakdown anywhere as of yet.Said like a true merc owner ;-)
Just off to buy breakdown cover.
It's a lovely motor mate, just teasing cos I know u have a sohI know that I’m going to pay for this, but I’ve never had a breakdown anywhere as of yet.
Just off to buy breakdown cover.
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MOT passed yesterday with no issues or warnings, so it’s as healthy as it ever will be.It's a lovely motor mate.
Wonder if these cameras will cover ULEZ too…
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Many of the newer cars even read the speed signs and you can get it to set the speed limiter. Works really well.And if you can’t, most cars have cruise control these days and a sat nav telling you where the speed cameras are.
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So ultimately, it‘s drivers not concentrating that get done by speed cameras.Many of the newer cars even read the speed signs and you can get it to set the speed limiter. Works really well.
You're correct. Got a brand new merc while mine was in for service, and it practically drove itself. Warned me at every speed limit change, whined like an ex missus if I was 1mph over the limit.Many of the newer cars even read the speed signs and you can get it to set the speed limiter. Works really well.
For a dozy **** like me it was brilliant
Absolutely, but you try concentrating when you've had a few pints. It's not that easy ;-)So ultimately, it‘s drivers not concentrating that get done by speed cameras.
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I find that washing them down with a six pack of redbull really helps you concentrate.Absolutely, but you try concentrating when you've had a few pints. It's not that easy ;-)
Sometimes I’m focussing so hard that I can see the Sea of Tranquility.
bluesince76
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You provide a 'safe' place and people stop on it to check maps, let their kids piss etc etc. Rarely do you need to stop right there and then on the motorway and, if you do, the speed limits and warnings come on automatically until an operator can confirm the details and set appropriate signals or cancel it.Surely a hard shoulder is better than 4 active lanes called "smart"
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A hard shoulder was generally regarded as a safe haven (rag managers exepted obviously)
Now, your at the mercy of the smart operators, and it's fucking scary.
That is reliant on people doing the displayed speed, which is back to the original posts in here and not driving under red-x, which the cameras will also pick you up doing
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How long it takes to put the red X up will determine how safe you are.You provide a 'safe' place and people stop on it to check maps, let their kids piss etc etc. Rarely do you need to stop right there and then on the motorway and, if you do, the speed limits and warnings come on automatically until an operator can confirm the details and set appropriate signals or cancel it.
That is reliant on people doing the displayed speed, which is back to the original posts in here and not driving under red-x, which the cameras will also pick you up doing
None of that relates to my experience of driving on motorways for 40 years, but I'll take your points.You provide a 'safe' place and people stop on it to check maps, let their kids piss etc etc. Rarely do you need to stop right there and then on the motorway and, if you do, the speed limits and warnings come on automatically until an operator can confirm the details and set appropriate signals or cancel it.
That is reliant on people doing the displayed speed, which is back to the original posts in here and not driving under red-x, which the cameras will also pick you up doing
I've never seen anyone stopped in the hard shoulder checking a map, or having a piss.
I have seen however, an artic pile into the back of a family hatchback that had broken down and pulled into the inside lane of a smart motorway.
When you've witnessed that, it makes you think, is all.
m7mcfc
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This.The lack of hard shoulder is their biggest issue. Nowhere safe to break down.